sending MS13 gang members to a prison in El Salvador.
Sending people they have claimed without evidence are MS13 gang members to a “prison” (torture murder facility - you look at the Google earth images of what looks like a puddle of blood by the facility and the fact that they’ve confirmed something like 100 people died there last year, that there is no release, and that they’re cramming people into such small living spaces the EU would consider it unethical for transporting livestock and tell me what you think)
The overcrowding is excessive to international standards and the access to toilets and other hygiene clearly seem to be limited. But those conditions seem better, in the sense that in other prisons we have seen testimonies of prisoners taking turns standing and lying down due to overcrowding.
Skin disease is rampant. It’s more likely that prisoners in the other prisons have scabies on their skin or even signs of physical abuse than the tattoos that you see in the images that are often projected from CECOT.
I also read an account from a doctor that worked there that inmates with conditions like diabetes are not given their medication. That people are beaten upon arrival, to the point that some die. That people experiencing medical crises in the cells are ignored, left to die until the guards pick up the body the next day.
Even if everyone there was a gang member (there’s no due process in El Salvador, and there hasn’t been due process with the people we’ve been sending there) - that’s not how human beings should be treated.
Correct. This is Steve Bannon’s “muzzle velocity” strategy at hand where there is so much wrong about this situation that it’s hard to focus on a single point about it.
You are right. There needs to be a public follow-up of some of these decisions to assess their multi-degree effects.
These seem to issues of subordinates blindly following orders or miscarrying out their directives.
In addition there are coordinators/facilitators who need to be kept on tighter leashes and strictly supervised.
Prison is meant to be for rehab, a place to tame “wolves” in a sandbox. Beyond issuing decrees, there needs to be civilian driven investigations into some of these places. They are funded by tax-payers and should be transparently accountable to them, similar to investors in the private sector.
It’s that or some territories voluntarily separate due to operational disagreements.
For one thing, there simply aren’t enough public defenders assigned to the thousands of people in pretrial detention, Bullock said. But the bigger problem, according to Bertha María Deleón, an attorney from El Salvador, is the justice system itself.
“Bukele also controls the Attorney General’s Office, the institution in charge of public criminal defense,” she told Vox. “What’s more, the attorney general says that there are no cases of arbitrary detentions. The human rights attorney does not do her job either.”
According to Deleón, prisoners must wait in detention, “in overcrowded and subhuman conditions” as their criminal trial plays out, for as long as three years. “Many have died,” she told Vox, “and they do not allow an autopsy.”
“Oops, we accidentally crowded more people than can safely live in this space, denied them medical care and contact with the outside world! Just a few bad apples!”
I’ll assume you’re commenting in good faith despite the absurdity.
You’re missing the point: the human rights abuses are a huge issue, but the prisoners shouldn’t be there. ~100 men were sent to a maximum security prison without getting a trial and based on unproven claims. The government literally admitted that they shouldn’t have sent Abrego Garcia there, but he’s still sitting in prison and the government claims there’s nothing they can do to get him out. Whether or not that’s true, it means that anyone (including you) could get life in prison based on a mistake, which is especially likely to happen when there’s no due process. You should genuinely be scared for your own well-being.
I am somewhat unsettled, but people usually don’t listen when a problem is posed without an actionable solution.
They’re working blind, and want to get over the dark age however they can. It’s why they tend to select leaders, who then create systems that work in the beginning, then can either be changed or maintained.
Once I get through the cited links, I’ll see if I can figure out something.
Sending people they have claimed without evidence are MS13 gang members to a “prison” (torture murder facility - you look at the Google earth images of what looks like a puddle of blood by the facility and the fact that they’ve confirmed something like 100 people died there last year, that there is no release, and that they’re cramming people into such small living spaces the EU would consider it unethical for transporting livestock and tell me what you think)
They also just deported several children, who were American citizens. One of them was a toddler with cancer.
I also read an account from a doctor that worked there that inmates with conditions like diabetes are not given their medication. That people are beaten upon arrival, to the point that some die. That people experiencing medical crises in the cells are ignored, left to die until the guards pick up the body the next day.
Even if everyone there was a gang member (there’s no due process in El Salvador, and there hasn’t been due process with the people we’ve been sending there) - that’s not how human beings should be treated.
Not to mention being in a gang is not illegal in the United States; commiting crimes is illegal.
Having gang-affiliated tattoos is not illegal either.
Also given their username, I’m guessing they’re a troll.
Even if it was, they still deserve due process. Everyone deserves and is entitled to due process.
This isn’t new, this shit goes back 800+ years to the Magna Carta.
Correct. This is Steve Bannon’s “muzzle velocity” strategy at hand where there is so much wrong about this situation that it’s hard to focus on a single point about it.
It can also be extremely difficult to tell whether it’s an actual gang tattoo/clothing/symbol. Stuff like a Chicago Bulls jersey can be read as a gang symbol, or just that you really like the Bulls.
I taught kids who were in gangs - some of my students have died in the interim. The kids who were the most “visual” were the posers.
Fwiw - subjunctive verbs are key to your intended meaning
Change to subjunctive to describe an imaginary situation
There’s a reason English is the only high school subject I’m not certified to teach… (grammar is boring)
You are right. There needs to be a public follow-up of some of these decisions to assess their multi-degree effects.
These seem to issues of subordinates blindly following orders or miscarrying out their directives.
In addition there are coordinators/facilitators who need to be kept on tighter leashes and strictly supervised.
Prison is meant to be for rehab, a place to tame “wolves” in a sandbox. Beyond issuing decrees, there needs to be civilian driven investigations into some of these places. They are funded by tax-payers and should be transparently accountable to them, similar to investors in the private sector.
It’s that or some territories voluntarily separate due to operational disagreements.
No - this is intentional. This is what Bukele wants, because Bukele is an authoritarian dictator who does not care about human rights.
“Oops, we accidentally crowded more people than can safely live in this space, denied them medical care and contact with the outside world! Just a few bad apples!”
I’ll assume you’re commenting in good faith despite the absurdity.
You’re missing the point: the human rights abuses are a huge issue, but the prisoners shouldn’t be there. ~100 men were sent to a maximum security prison without getting a trial and based on unproven claims. The government literally admitted that they shouldn’t have sent Abrego Garcia there, but he’s still sitting in prison and the government claims there’s nothing they can do to get him out. Whether or not that’s true, it means that anyone (including you) could get life in prison based on a mistake, which is especially likely to happen when there’s no due process. You should genuinely be scared for your own well-being.
Thank you.
I am somewhat unsettled, but people usually don’t listen when a problem is posed without an actionable solution.
They’re working blind, and want to get over the dark age however they can. It’s why they tend to select leaders, who then create systems that work in the beginning, then can either be changed or maintained.
Once I get through the cited links, I’ll see if I can figure out something.
Here’s a shiny new Wikipedia article, with lots of links to parse through.
What the Trump administration is doing is not legal.
Yeah, that’s called a fucking trial.