Exposing children to social media.
Putting your kids on social media publicly.
The kids that grew up with it will probably see the harm caused and not want to pass that on.
Yea this. It’s the cigarettes of our generation. “I don’t know, everyone was doing it back then”, we’ll all say.
And our blind acceptance of it all, to the point of allowing it to replace journalism and politics, will be seen as dumb in the same way we now breath in some cigarette smoke and see it as obviously unhealthy.
I think the dumbing effect it’s having on us as a society might even stop us from ever having realizations like his ever again though
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I don’t know about that. Younger millenials that grew up with social media are having kids and I see them posting about it.
For better or worse, I think social media is here to stay in some form or another. Maybe theyll fight harder to put some limits on it but I’m skeptical
Even when the US was down to like 20% smokers, in some European countries it was in the high 40s. Social media will DEFINITELY stick around. The question is how it’s viewed.
I agree with you fundamentally. How do you feel about social media that is decentralized, open source, and non-corporate like Lemmy, Friendica, Pixelfed, et? I think these decentralized platforms are much less toxic because toxic people quickly get banned and shared with others. Furthermore, I think that with proper education of what social media is and what the positives and negatives are - including adverse consequencies - could be very beneficial. When social media is done in a positive way, it can be a great way to build friendships and exchange ideas and information. That much said the corporate social media is awful and in no way would I want to subject children to it as it could set them up for psychological trauma with real and lasting consequences to their mental health.
Would still not expose my kids. Anonymity brings out the worst in folks. And social media gets used for bullying no matter the platform.
As an adult, able to practice some opsec, and kcomfortable with their sense of self. Fine.
As kids, mine won’t have access. I have had family comment because we ask for our kids not be to put on Facebook. They understand a bit more now, 10 years later, but only to a point.
I can respect where you’re coming from, and largely, because I feel the same way. I am in no way qualified to give you any paternal advice because I don’t have children of my own. I can only speak to the mistakes my parents made on my brother and I which actually subjected us to ridicule and bullying from classmates. My parents carefully managed what my brother and I would be allowed and not allowed to watch on TV. One of the results of this was not knowing what The Simpsons was all about when the first episode aired. The fact that we had no idea what our peers were talking about left us in a bad way. Now granted, our parents never explained to us the reasons and benefits for doing what it was they were doing so it felt autocratic. If I had to guess, you are probably taking a very different path that helps your children to understand the reasoning why they would be better off, sans social media.
There is a point where you cant control kids, outside influences just become too much… My job isnt to shelter them at that point, but to teach them to navigate a world that doesnt care about them, while also teaching them to be confident in their choices and strong. You cant please everyone, but that doesnt mean you need to be an asshole or inconsiderate.
My older is approaching that. And my job will shift from one of protection to more advisory role with interventions only when absolutely necessary. It is what it is. Maybe my kids get bullied, actually its probable. Many bullies take out their frustration with homelife on others and my kids probably wont have too much of that to inflict on others. Ive seen it first hand. My parents were abusive by modern standards. I wasnt a bully myself (that I recall), but i didnt stand in the way of others that may have been. I was bullied to, probably not as much as others because I’m a bigger guy. But definitely because of my race.
What matters is how you deal with it and carry it. That said, moderation in all things will help. Mine wont be the first to have a cell phone, but probably not the last either. I dont plan to have any parental controls on there, they just teach deception and break trust. So whatever social media the kids are into will probably have my kids on it. The job isnt going to be to protect them from that, but to teach them to manage it and deal with it responsibly and keep their guard up.
Also, has anyone tried to tell a kid not to do something? It doesn’t work lol. What kinda childhood did y’all have? Cause I very distinctly remember how kids were constantly getting around my school’s filters. I remember how many people got stuff like alcohol and tobacco from their friends. Every kid figured out how to watch porn from an early age, too, despite the fact that all these arguments against social media apply to porn (and arguably porn is worse for people simply because of the unrealistic and unhealthy expectations it sets).
I’m not saying don’t have rules just because your kids will break them. But accessing social media is such a hilariously easy rule to break. And kids won’t respect you if they disagree strongly with your rules. Setting a “no alcohol” rule is socially acceptable, but a “no social media” rule is just gonna breed rebellion. Unlike alcohol, they’re gonna be exposed to it every day through their friends. Their friends will send them links in chats. They will find ways around your rules and they’ll resent you for them.
At best, you can just delay how long before kids get exposed to social media and how long before they figure out how to get around your rules. But the last one won’t take long. My parents had stupid rules surrounding the internet and I learned fast how to get around them.
The much better approach is to talk to your kids. Teach them the dangers. Build a good rapport with them so that they trust you and will talk to you if they’re being bullied or the likes. If you just ban something, your kids are gonna use it anyway but without any knowledge of the dangers and they will not come to you if something goes wrong. This is the exact same issue that comes up with alcohol and sex. It’s not a new problem. Just a new thing being banned by a new generation.
I wasn’t allowed to watch the Simpsons or Blossom when growing up either because they were too rude and adult respectively. I definitely felt left out and kids made fun, but I get it now. Kids will (and DID!) make fun of anything, but I get the idea of sheltering kids. People try to do it today with gun violence. Maybe I feel differently because my parents explained why they were banning them, but “it’s trashy” was at least a justification, even if I didn’t agree with it.
This isn’t social media. I don’t know you and I can’t pretend to know you. This is a discussion board/ bulletin board/ forum dressed in new clothes, and I’m cool with that.
SUVs.
There really is no need to haul 3 tons of steel around with you, and as more and more extreme weather events happen you’ll have more and more people looking around for others to blame, and oversized cars which are clearly unnecessary for work (especially the ones with Internal Combustion Engines) make for big very visible targets, with the added factor that in some places they’re seen as conspicuous displays of wealth (and flaunting wealth will be another thing that’s likely to become frowned upon within the next 2 decades).
Not saying that SUVs are all to blame or even that the rich ride them (in my experience they’re more the cars of a certain middle class), but they’re in that spot of being abundant enough and yet only a minority of cars, easy to spot, often imposing in a showoffish way and logically more poluting that smaller cars, all this right when the impact of Global Warming is really and properly starting to be felt, something which at the current rate will get much worse in 2 decades.
Also, unlike big oil companies SUV owners don’t have PR departments with hundreds of millions of dollars of budget to sway the press and swindle the useful idiots.
This thread title is unfortunately about what “you think will” not “you hope and wish and pray will”, so super hard disagree. Electric cars are actually going bigger to account for huge batteries, and heavier because of them. Given that’s the upswing I find it hard to predict a sudden shift to smaller cars.
The only way it happens (and 20 years is a very long time, so it’s possible) is if cars become so expensive and mostly subscription model based like everything else, that car ownership goes down. If driverless electric cars become fleet vehicles in cities, you’d definitely see smaller cars becoming more common to have more on the road and privately replace public infrastructure because we can’t invest in that in the USA. So like Uber just illegally ran taxi services in many jurisdictions until it became too popular to fail, expect the same thing from driverless car fleets, a couple of which will get bought by Uber or Lyft. Young people are driving WAY less, so if they prefer to hail a direct driverless taxi to their destination and not pay to own a car, then the bulk of vehicles on the road could downsize. Private passenger cars though, would start being used for more long haul driving instead of the 99% short trips they’re currently used in, so I don’t see any downward size pressure on those.
Well, there have been a number of announcements of higher density energy storage technologies and that’s the direction things have been moving towards already with electric cars (in less than a decade ranges doubled with similarly sized cars), so I don’t think there is at all a trend for larger vehicles in that segment due to such pressures.
From what I read (which was not specifically for electric cars) is that SUVs are simply more profitable for manufacturers, hence their investment in designing and heavilly promoting them.
Because of those battery changes and demands for range, electric vehicle are way heavier than they used to be. https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/as-heavy-evs-proliferate-their-weight-may-be-a-drag-on-safety
They also follow the same growth in size as all vehicles, due mostly to consumer demand: https://www.fastcompany.com/90793619/evs-keep-getting-bigger-and-that-could-steer-the-u-s-down-a-dangerous-road
I hope so. I was about to join the smaller end of the SUV crowd, but then I test drove a van. We have a van now. Even more space, better efficiency, and less expensive to buy. Just had to let our pride take a hit and drive the uncool-parents-mobile.
yeah right americans will totally overcome car-based infrastructure brainwashing and learn to hate the thing that they base their identity on totally
just like the confederate flag, totally died out when racism became uncool. and I think you’re especially accurate that a widescale global disaster will definitely change people’s thinking, that always happens and never redouble their biases with insane conspiracy theories driven by billionaire backed media campaigns
You’re disputing something I didn’t actually state.
I very explicitly went for SUVs because I actually believe the same as you when it comes to cars in general: 20 years is far too little time for people to completelly turn away from the, especially in car-loving countries with horrible public infrastructure for anything else, like the US.
Sacrificing a minority segment of the car market to appease the masses is not all that hard in 2 decades, whilst completelly changing the transportation infrastructure is damn near impossible.
Fair point! I still disagree insofar as I doubt it will happen in 20 years, but that seems less absurd to believe when you put it that way
I don’t know. You don’t see many electric stationwagons around and people will want big boots after fossil cars are history. I really really hope you’re right though.
We bought a crossover earlier this year and love it, but I would have preferred to get a station wagon if they still existed. My parents had a Camry station wagon when I was a teenager and that thing was amazing.
There is also the shitty situation where because everything on US roads right now are big it actually makes smaller cars less safe in collisions due to relative mass with a likely other party. Also being at eye level with headlights kind of sucks.
SUVs are better than pickup trucks.
Current giganto tax-loophole pickups, sure. I drive a 97 standard bed, mostly for hauling (not a daily). It’s a great vehicle for the job. There’s probably a couple of safety features I wish it had but “be bigger than any potential collision target” isn’t one of them.
My concern is the MPG
Most pickups are not work trucks.
Costco trips are the hardest work they do.
My last SUV had the same engine as their smallest pickup truck.
And i bet the SUV got better mpg because of areodynamics.
Not by much, it was a beast. Got around 18 mpg, the equivalent truck gets about 16
Daily use of fossil cars and motorcycles.
Bringing your religion into other people’s business.
Depending on how lab meats come along, meat from slaughtering animals.
Idk man, I think motorcycles will become more and more popular, if there is more environment friendly people in the future they will probably switch to motorcycles and scooters. they are cheaper than a car (especially a used electric car, where the battery will potentially need to be replaced), their fuel efficiency is great, and are smaller than cars, which fit the urbanization trend of being more compact.
ICE motorcycles are loud and their emissions are difficult to filter properly due to size and weight economy. This makes them a much bigger nuisance than electric equivalents, and I think attitudes will shift to reflect this.
They don’t have to be loud, people just want them to be
Hopefully for profit health care, but I’m not holding my breath.
Definitely don’t hold your breath.
If you pass out and hit your head, do you know how much that would cost to go to urgent care?
So how to we take down the corporate overlords?
We stop getting sock/hurt/giving birth.
Eating factory farmed meat. With the way politics is headed there will be some politician at some point in the future trying desperately to defend his high beef consumption in what will become known as Burgergate.
Also, islamophobia in the context of defending religious nutjobs. For instance, it is islamophobic to complain about a muslim (Sikh, in reality) man at an airport because he “looks like a terrorist”. It is not islamophobic to suggest that female students should be allowed in public schools just like male students. Both of these things have actually happened, very recently, and the latter was defended because people were scared shitless of being called islamophobic. We have to have some minimum human rights standards that religion cannot interfere with, and blatant sex-based discrimination is one of them. I do not give a flying fuck what your religion teaches you.
Preach
Not being 100% available 24/7/365 will become even less acceptable than its already become.
Daily commuting can also go.
I’d guess it’d be the opposite for some people who get tired of having to be constantly available.
Yeah I feel like that pendulum is swinging back already.
Yes, there is already laws in Europe to protect the “right to disconnect”.
You have the right to not be reachable outside of work hours.
Yeah. There will always be those who push harder and harder for more and more intrusive communication at all hours, but as the pendulum swings back the other way, it will be more and more acceptable to walk away from such jobs and seek out places that show more respect for private time whenever you’re off the clock.
I really hope making fun of gender pronouns isn’t acceptable in 20 years. My name is Ted Cruz and my pronounce are U.S.A.
Not just super lame boomer jokes but shitting on people who feel invisible and pronouns help them feel recognized as a full person.
Now I second this. As a(n aspiring) comedian, I already feel like jokes about pronouns are only playable in rural shitty areas. Nowhere in the cities does that kind of “silly gay people” humor play. because humor is about punching up, and lgbt individuals are nowhere near being a full accepted part of the human experience. we won’t have full acceptance of lgbt people in 20 years, but hey, pronoun jokes will definitely be reserved for shitty old people.
Thank you for not doing them even if you possibly could get away with it at some shows. Larry the Cable Guy is a millionaire but you know his grandchildren are going to be ashamed of him as they go to college using money made by telling jokes about trans people in bathrooms. It’s easy but it’s wrong and we all know it.
Protesting.
The future looks scary to me.
Hopefully that goes the other way and it is more normal to do so
We could learn a lot from the French.
Stealing water from neighboring clans. Driving cars without spikes.
Not going to Thunderdome with your friends.
Working in the fossil fuel industry.
Meat eating is a possibility. I don’t see it being universal, but veganism is on the ride and it makes sense to a lot of people.
It’s just not sustainable. Lab-grown meat is here, it just needs to get to scale, get a bit cheaper and boom. Farming and killing animals for food will be obsolete.
That is, of course, providing it’s sustainable, which at the moment it isn’t.
https://www.ucdavis.edu/food/news/lab-grown-meat-carbon-footprint-worse-beef
Farming as a whole will still not disappear at all, animal agriculture will change, but will also not disappear.
This is the first thing that came to my mind, too. I’m a omnivore myself and admittedly love my meat, but it’s very bad for the environment and I can’t deny the ethical concerns are there. At the very least, I can see low key vegetarianism being the norm in 20 years, where the norm would simply be to not have meat products, and meat might instead be a more niche diet or simply not the norm.
If lab grown meat manages to become scalable enough, I can also see that nearly completely replacing “real” meat. Once it’s at least as affordable, I think “real” meat’s days would be numbered. It’d become a thing only for purists/elitists/exotic diners. I would even expect that lab grown meat would eventually become cheaper than “real” meat simply because it would be far faster to grow and take fewer resources than to grow an entire animal to adulthood.
As an aside, would labe grown meat be considered vegan? I think it would be since no animal is harmed in the making of it. I imagine many existing vegans wouldn’t want to eat something that tastes like meat, but it would be the thing that converts practically everyone else. I sure don’t see why I’d ever want to eat “real” meat again if I could get a comparable lab grown meat that doesn’t harm animals and is better for the environment. That’s just a win win.
Lab grown meat is grown from cell cultures that were taken from animals that were not capable of consenting to donate these cells.
Hardcore vegans will likely still despise it, but for a lot of less hardcore vegan people it might become an option, especially if marketing hides the origin.
IMHO it’s more important that the carbon footprint of growing cell cultures is bigger than that of growing animals. Unless this changes, lab grown meat is not an option to fight global warming.
I think in the grand scheme of things, if you have to ask if something is vegan, it’s probably not worth worrying about too much. Perfect not being the enemy of good and all that.
This definitely. For ethical or cost-effective reasons. I think price is going to be the main incentive. If its a dollar less a pound for lab grown hamburger and options at fast food outlets - we’ll definitely be there. Real meat will become the new “fancy food” - wasteful and indulgent spending.
When the quality and cost of labgrown meat matches the real thing - we’ll see the tables turn. Especially if they’re able to produce various *cuts^ and styles.
Traditionally grown meat will go the way of vinyl. Slowly fall out of popularity, then eventually become a status good, popular among aficionados, ignoring its actual inferiority in blind tastings. Calling it now, in 25 years, most US beef will be Kobe style, “we brushed our cows’ hair and sang it lullabies” and differentiated by marketing.
Even beyond that, I wouldn’t underestimate the power of cultural change. From what I can tell, drugs, sex and clearly defined gender identities are all on the decline in the younger generations in the west. I’m not sure there’s any good or clear external force pushing this. I think it’s just change. When it comes to eating meat, it’s pretty easy to start thinking through why you don’t need to do it as much as the typical western diet does, which feels pretty ripe for some form of merely cultural change.
My theory is that drugs, excessive sex and to some extent petty crime are partly a result of boredom for teenagers.
Teenagers today have less reasons to be bored than a generation or two ago. Instead, they’re getting dopamine fixes from social media and gaming.
I’m not sure if that’s related to dieting.
If done right, the cultural climate to change from eating living things to lab grown meat will be as simple as ordering the same dishes at restaurants with substitute ingredients that nobody notices.
And cost. It’s hard to justify a diet change otherwise.
Americans went from eating sheep to cows in the 1800s because cows were cheaper per pound, more resilient to diseases and easier to maintain.
Veganism is popular because it’s still a cost effective diet. Mass farming is compatible with it.
I can easily see “Pepsi Challenge” style ad campaigns where people blindly guess which bite was the real meat - and which one they prefer.
Though, I also see a backlash. In a way that the proliferation of hybrid and electric vehicles created the anti-environmental practice of “coal rolling”, whereas asshats modify their truck engines to produce more pollutants to own the libs.
Teenagers today have less reasons to be bored than a generation or two ago. Instead, they’re getting dopamine fixes from social media and gaming.
I think similarly and have said so before.
My money is on this one. Once we find a more sustainable way to get meat, and that scales to the globe, whatever that method is, I think the idea of keeping animals only to kill then will quickly be viewed as abhorrent.
Likely won’t be as quick as within 20 years, however. Lots of companies currently making a fortune selling meat who will stand in the way of that.
Wasting water
Just spitballing, but potentially:
- undeclared AI usage for photos, video, code, etc
- driving old beater cars or even nicer old ones like corvettes
- Being outside during the peak of the day’s heat
undeclared AI usage for photos, video, code, etc
I think this is the one. It’s this generation’s Napster, but the difference is it’s not Britney Spears and Metallica getting robbed. It’s every artist who ever posted their work to the Internet, and that’s a huge, huge deal.
Most modern music is a collection of sounds and samples made by other people put together to create a new track. Then they sing over it using autotune. That has been accepted and normalized by the masses.
I agree with the first two, but the third one will happen only when most things catch on fire during the peak hot times. Workers in Texas don’t get water breaks in the current heat wave.
I’d sooner drive an old beater over even an EV with fifteen million computers that I can’t hope to service myself tbh, and motherfuck getting gouged by the Firestone or god forbid, manufacturer mechanic shops for them to do it. Until coast to coast, America’s cities are walkable, you won’t catch me in a computer’d out car.
Gotta agree with that sentiment. Got an old single cylinder carb-fed bike that I’m not looking to trade for a beep-booper any time soon
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Is it socially acceptable today? Maybe I’m biased by my location (western Europe), but Ive never seen people with fashist views getting widespread acceptance. Unfortunately that doesn’t the lone wolf from making quite a bit of noise, though.
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Not all authoritarians are fascists
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The current PM of Italy is openly a Mussolini sympathizer.
Of course racism isn’t socially acceptable.
OP just wanted to sound moral.
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They’re a Jordan Peterson mod, don’t bother. The ultimate Idiot’s Genius. Imagine thinking the only reason to be concerned for the plight of others must be for selfish reasons. It says more about them than you. And it’s a deflection away from coming up with actually sound counterpoints. Mindless contrarianism.
It’s sad but I totally agree with you. Used to love JBP. Watched his old biblical lecture series, read 12 rules for life, followed his podcast. Definitely after his health issues I feel like there’s been a drop in his faculties and it’s hard to really back him like I used to.
Then to see his new Exodus series, which I was excited about, and for him to have fucking Dennis Prager as a host on it… What a fucking joke. If he will so readily and warmly welcome Prager on his platform I have no interest in it.
To be clear, I’m an atheist. I didn’t watch any of his content expecting spiritual enrichment or whatever.
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is there such a thing as reverse virtue signaling? a comment like this reads (to me) as
"racism isn’t actually a problem.
OP is a better person than I."
I never said it wasn’t a problem.
I said it wasn’t socially acceptable.
Let me give you an example because it seems that you’re getting too emotional to think straight.
Theft is a problem.
Theft is not socially acceptable.
Does that make things clearer for you?
There are regions in every country where not being racist makes you a pariah.
Like this charming place: https://capitalbnews.org/newbern-alabama-black-mayor/
In the US, youth tackle football. In some places it’s already becoming less socially acceptable and I think that trend will continue.
