Apple is finally allowing full versions of Chrome and Firefox to run on the iPhone
www.theverge.com
The EU browser wars are about to take off in a big way.
  • the_q@lemmy.world
    2691·
    10 months ago

    If only the US had the balls to keep these trillion dollar companies in line instead of the other way around.

        • 4am@lemm.ee
          433·
          10 months ago

          I feel like your point is almost excusing it. Just because the corruption is working doesn’t mean it’s not corruption.

          • BakerBagel@midwest.social
            82·
            10 months ago

            It’s not an excuse. The system isnt broken and needs to be reformed. The system is working as intended and needs to be abolished.

            • MotoAsh@lemmy.world
              63·
              10 months ago

              Nah, that’s just the typical small mindset that things should be cast away just because they have problems.

              Like police. We NEED police, just not the same organization we currently have, and certainly not a police force that intermingles violent and non-violent events. We need police who don’t reach for a gun and we need police who can deal with armed criminals.

              The economy can be fixed. We just need a government with the balls to actually tax rich assholes and fund social services.

              • bazmatazable@reddthat.com
                1·
                10 months ago

                The wealthy actively lobby for tax breaks and relaxed regulation meanwhile the working majority don’t seem to be able to stand together and demand social programs or protections from big businesses. The government is not corrupt for delivering the change that is asked if it. Easier said than done but change for the better is possible.

        • agent_flounder@lemmy.worldEnglish
          61·
          10 months ago

          When things are so bad that corruption is legalized and encouraged, it doesn’t stop being corruption.

    • 乇ㄥ乇¢ㄒ尺ㄖ@infosec.pub
      253·
      10 months ago

      I’m not sure what you mean by ; keeping in line…

      I mean they’re collaborating with them to spy on the American nation and the entire world, with their creatively named secret projects…

    • AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world
      151·
      10 months ago

      Always remember what comes first in any national emergency. Whats the first thing our leaders always make clear when the chips are down?

      "We will do everything necessary to protect our beloved nation society struggling citizens ECONOMY."

      People don’t matter here, only capital. If you are attached to meaningful capital, you will want for nothing and live in embarrassing decadence that would make pharoahs blush, if you aren’t attached to meaningful capital, you are livestock for those that are. You are less than human in the eyes of the capital hoarders in charge.

      Those are our American Values in practice.

    • Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz
      51·
      10 months ago

      Unregulated and unhindered capitalism is the American way. If the government interferes by saying that companies aren’t allowed to do whatever they want, that’s just socialism, communism or whatever it is that those Europeans are up to these days.

      /s just in case.

    • rdyoung@lemmy.world
      42·
      10 months ago

      Definitely need to do more, but, consumers could choose android over apple. Apples walled garden bullshit is why the only apple devices I’ve ever had were a couple of old school ipods and various Macintoshs going back to the IIe.

      It sucks moving platforms. I did it going from blackberry to android but with android I can buy any phone I want and it’s mine to do with as I please and plenty of phones have community support to keep an android version updated and secure.

      • highduc@lemmy.ml
        114·
        10 months ago

        As someone who’s only owned Androids, it’s just a different walled garden. It’s a duopoly instead of a monopoly.

        You can’t really own your phone whatever you do. Even if you root it all your important apps like banking ones will stop working so there really isn’t a choice.

        • empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          61·
          10 months ago

          Android is a walled garden that has a gate with a latch. If one cares to put in the effort it isn’t terribly difficult to root Android and strip the Google stuff.
          Apple is a walled garden that simply has empty void on the other side of a 4 foot thick concrete wall. Jailbreaking has limited results and an incredible amount of DRM is integrated at the kernel and hardware level that can never be removed.

          • Spiralvortexisalie@lemmy.worldEnglish
            12·
            10 months ago

            That brings about two problems for me. How about phones with locked bootloaders? And the reverse of that, is how do you keep phones with unlocked bootloaders from getting poison-pilled into the supply chain? IE from someone buying a pallet of phones flashing malware infected firmware and just returning it back to the warehouse for the populace at large to use. And some stuff you just can’t degoogle, at least not without a bunch of patching or just straight breaking functionality like what happens in trying to switch to say GrapheneOS (One of the best supported Alt Android distros I have seen) where notifications for most apps don’t work unless you patch back in a lite version of google apps or patch the app to use different protocols, and many apps expecting a “secure” (Google filled) environment will just not run again without patching.

    • thefartographer@lemm.ee
      42·
      10 months ago

      The US absolutely has the balls. They’re currently bound and being used by the corporations to lead us around.

      Yeah, we should probably say something about how they treat us, but God damn if our politicians don’t have the biggest fucking orgasm every time a billionaire compliments them.

      • MotoAsh@lemmy.world
        32·
        10 months ago

        “The US has the balls.”

        Ah yes, that’s why the government is on it’s knees in front of these corporations … because it has balls… yep, the government sure has balls … on it’s chin.

        • thefartographer@lemm.ee
          4·
          10 months ago

          I feel like you didn’t read my comment since we’re essentially making the same joke. But funny comment

          • MotoAsh@lemmy.world
            1·
            10 months ago

            Nah, I’m barely even making a joke. My point is they don’t even have balls to be bound. They have a leash and collar for that. They have no balls except for the ones on their chin.

  • onion@feddit.de
    175·
    10 months ago

    "This change is a result of the DMA’s requirements, and means that EU users will be confronted with a list of default browsers before they have the opportunity to understand the options available to them,” the company says. “The screen also interrupts EU users’ experience the first time they open Safari intending to navigate to a webpage.”

    lol Apple is throwing a tantrum

  • SamsonSeinfelder@feddit.de
    1001·
    10 months ago

    That was always a bullshit move by Apple and crippled the Firefox product in an unacceptable and cartel law questionable dimension. MS had a Monopoly on IE, by giving advantages binding it to the OS? Apple did the exact same thing on iOS with Safari.

    • dantheclamman@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      36·
      10 months ago

      The problem is that the US doesn’t necessarily regulate anticompetitive behavior if the company has not achieved a monopoly. Microsoft pretty much had one at the time so they were exposed. Our regulatory regime is not designed to protect us from the tech oligopoly

  • Aopen@discuss.tchncs.de
    995·
    10 months ago

    USB C, 3rd party app installing, free browser engine and easly removable batteries in 3 years. Iphone suddenly becomes an amazing option

      • generalpotato@lemmy.world
        3223·
        10 months ago

        *if you ignore the shitfest it is with mandating play store/play services, bricking phones, google screwing up Pixel updates, a fiasco of some sort with each Pixel iteration, Samsung literally adding shit to macro shots and calling it “AI”.

        Android isn’t a silver bullet it’s made out to be.

        • Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de
          113·
          10 months ago

          just get a pixel and put lineage on it, works perfectly and has none of these downsides

          i have two ultimately minor complaints: no sd card slot and no headphone jack, the first isn’t a huge issue especially not for the average person and the latter being solved with an adapter, and also isn’t really a big issue since there’s more than enough battery that charging at the same time isn’t needed.

        • viking@infosec.pub
          1412·
          10 months ago

          Android is neither silver nor bullet, it’s pure gold next to the pile of poo with a chewed apple on top.

            • Geth@lemmy.dbzer0.com
              45·
              10 months ago

              Tried the iPad pro 2 years ago because everyone raved about how good and amazing it is. I gave it a good 6 months try before I concluded it was a pile of junk. Sure it’s powerful, but any serious multitasking and customization is only possible with jalbreaking or not at all. Dumped it and went to the Samsung tab S7 plus. Couldn’t be happier. Does everything the iPad does but is also competent and friendly to the user’s wishes.

    • smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de
      5·
      10 months ago

      We slowly fix problems below and above the OS. But there is very much left to do in the OS itself, like no access to drivers or any low-level interfaces.

    • paholg@lemm.eeEnglish
      35·
      10 months ago

      Pray it just works? Get consumer-friendly legislation to pass in the US somehow? Maybe a genie wish or an infinity gauntlet could be used for this purpose.

      Apple has never been great at enabling developer testing. I certainly don’t see why they’d care if shit works on third party browsers. The more broken apps are just means the more users who will give up and use Safari.

      • LwL@lemmy.world
        2·
        10 months ago

        Hmm, I wonder if we could get an EU law that requires enabling testing of third party apps globally, as anything else is suppressing competition.

    • Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de
      24·
      10 months ago

      put a big banner for iOS users telling them that apple doesn’t let you test it, and that any complaints should be forwarded to apple

    • Atemu@lemmy.ml
      23·
      10 months ago

      Didn’t even think about that haha.

      I guess the best you could realistically do would be to adhere to web standards (not Chrome standards) and use desktop Firefox or Firefox on Android for testing as they should be the same internally as the hypothetical iOS port.

    • Vincent@feddit.nl
      11·
      10 months ago

      Same way you test on Safari if you don’t have a Mac, I guess. (i.e. not at all, or with the same rendering engine on a different device and hoping it is similar enough, or via a service like Browserstack.)

    • ProtonBadger@kbin.social
      1·
      10 months ago

      Interesting question. If a binary is available you can sideload already, you’d have to put the phone in Developer Mode and use either XCode or one of the 3rd party tools for macos or Windows to install it. Main question is how easy it’d be to find a trustable official Mozilla binary.

  • heavyboots@lemmy.mlEnglish
    431·
    10 months ago

    Article talks about how Chrome will be happening almost immediately and I’m like… why? Why would you switch to Chrome when you know it’s going to reduce your ability to keep things private. Firefox will be a different story hopefully, but even then it will be interesting to see if it can pass the fingerprint test finally on an iPhone. (Currently nothing can.)

    • accideath@lemmy.world
      111·
      10 months ago

      People use chrome because they’re used to chrome (and because it has the best website compatibility thanks to its near monopoly). And most people sadly don’t care about their privacy.

      I personally try to use as little Google products as I can and am happy using a mixture of Safari and Firefox (depending on the platform)

  • AlexJD@feddit.uk
    212·
    10 months ago

    This is very bittersweet living in the UK. But still obligatory fuck Apple.

  • _number8_@lemmy.worldEnglish
    181·
    10 months ago

    zero reason ever for any piece of technology to know where i live and make my experience worse because of it

  • Resol van Lemmy@lemmy.worldEnglish
    15·
    10 months ago

    As soon as I get that visa, I’m running to the EU. I don’t feel like dealing with more freedom that only the EU can get, I don’t feel like being jealous at them anymore, I might as well join them.

    • KptnAutismus@lemmy.world
      12·
      10 months ago

      not with the current “shift to the right” we’re doing. these parties will do and say anything to get into power and foreigners out of their country.

      but me and many other average citizens would very much like to welcome you with open arms.

      • Resol van Lemmy@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5·
        10 months ago

        Yeah, some politicians are straight up weird.

        In their defense, though, some immigrants are straight up weird (keyword: SOME).

        Honestly, I’m the kind of future immigrant who hates his country with an absolute passion and refuses to be patriotic or nationalistic. I literally cannot integrate into my own society. Also, criminalization of LGBT rights. I just gotta mention that.

        The EU really does feel like a great place to be in.

        • KptnAutismus@lemmy.world
          6·
          10 months ago

          on the ‘area to exist in’ list, europe definetely ranks very high.

          the high cost of living is definetely a thing to consider, but wages are pretty fair if you learn a specific profession and you get pretty good healthcare by default.

          plus almost everyone under 60ish years of age speaks english to a degree, so you can bridge the gap of learning the local language pretty well.

          oh yeah and we take human rights at least more seriously than the US of course.

    • boonhet@lemm.ee
      41·
      10 months ago

      Come to the dark side! We have GDPR and we’ll get browser choice in iOS soon (because as much as I hate having my software freedom being taken away, iOS is the superior experience if you don’t have time to tweak everything. This is coming from someone who’s had a custom ROM on every single one of their Android phones).

      You also can’t be fired without cause in I believe most EU countries, definitely not in mine (Estonia).

      • Resol van Lemmy@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        10 months ago

        I have literally never used GDPR in my life because whenever my phone claims to use it (last time that happened was with my old iPhone 4), it basically means that there’s no internet at all. I’m pretty sure that’s just a weird thing with my country. We don’t even have 5G yet.

        Also, wait, you can actually get fired without cause outside of the EU? Why would anyone have the balls to do that??

      • Resol van Lemmy@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        10 months ago

        I have literally never used GDPR in my life because whenever my phone claims to use it (last time that happened was with my old iPhone 4), it basically means that there’s no internet at all. I’m pretty sure that’s just a weird thing with my country. We don’t even have 5G yet.

        Also, wait, you can actually get fired without cause outside of the EU? Why would anyone have the balls to do that??

  • lud@lemm.ee
    15·
    10 months ago

    I wonder how long it will take for Mozilla to make a proper iOS version. I suspect that Apple didn’t give them any notice.

    • 520@kbin.social
      9·
      10 months ago

      They didn’t have to. The EU regulations have been public for a while now, the only question was how Apple was going to comply.

      • lud@lemm.ee
        11·
        10 months ago

        True, but I don’t think a fund limited organisation like Mozilla is going to spend a lot of money and time on a maybe.

        • 520@kbin.social
          1·
          10 months ago

          The regulations outright stated that it has to be allowed. So they knew it was going to be allowed on iOS. Like I said, the only question was how: Mozilla didn’t know what the mechanisms made by Apple to make this work would look like, but that can be worked out fairly easily later, once they have a working build.

  • Daniel@lemmy.ml
    12·
    10 months ago

    So, this could be a dumb question, but will IPAs have this region-locking?

    Like, can I use something like AltStore to use the EU version of Firefox?

    • ripcord@lemmy.world
      8·
      10 months ago

      Pretty sure it’s the OS that would be different, and likely hardware-locked or some other kind of region verification.

    • the_nightman@lemmy.world
      11·
      10 months ago

      If you have the ipa you can sideload it via AltStore or similar unless Mozilla does something stupid