The Democratic Socialists of America pulled its endorsement of Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York this week, accusing the progressive congresswoman of being insufficiently supportive of the Palestinian cause and efforts to end the war in Gaza…

Her approach has increasingly strained her relationship with some of the left’s most strident critics of Israel. When she rallied last month in the Bronx with Senator Bernie Sanders and Representative Jamaal Bowman, dozens of pro-Palestinian demonstrators angry over her endorsement of Mr. Biden chanted “You’re a fraud, A.O.C.”

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    left wing is so busy ripping itself apart while right has fully consolidated, good luck winning elections. This is practically handing POTUS45 his POTUS47 title. US left wing always picks wrong timing to settle internal scores which is why it’s always flatfooted and toothless.

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      No, no, THIS time handing over power to fascists will DEFINITELY make the left in this country strong.

      /s since that’s literally what’s being said by these fucking people who go on about how the national rebirth ‘reconstruction’ of the political environment under a Trump regime is how we get progressive victories.

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        The communist leader in Germany before Hitler took over said that failure of the nazi government would help convince people to vote for communism in the next election; he was subsequently killed in a concentration camp.

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          I mean he was basically right. The social democrats took 30% and the Nazis got 0% in the next election

          In 1949 after Germany’s defeat in WWII.

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          If only they’d joined the SPD in voting for Hindenburg, the guy who won the election and appointed Hitler chancellor, then Hindenburg would’ve… won the election and appointed Hitler chancellor.

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          Just reading about it:

          Critics believed that the KPD’s sectarianism scuttled any possibility of a united front with the SPD against the rising power of the Nazis.

          Not sure if it is analogous to America, since the KPD in Weimar Germany was more prominent politically than the DSA is in America. It was definitely a bad position in hindsight.

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          It’s good to know that on top of Marxism being a failure from the very start, it also has a long history of paving the way for fascists to get into power. Some things never change.

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            Is that why Trump and fascism are about to be re-elected, because of the failure of Marxism?

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              No Marxism is a failure for a lot more than that, it’s one of the most evil failed ideology in human history. It’s just ironic how the people who helped get the Nazis in power are the same people doing the same now. The far left has always been the greatest indirect ally of the of the far right, and they say the horseshoe theory is not real.

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                the people who helped get the Nazis in power are the same people doing the same now.

                So, the Marxists, who have no participating party in American elections, with no elected representatives in the federal government, are the real reason fascism is happening in America?

                That’s certainly an opinion.

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                    And that’s supposed to convince Marxists to vote for Joe Biden? How are Marxists the ones sowing division among the left when you’re the one out here calling us names.

                    Unless, sowing division is actually your goal. Just thunk about it.

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        like in definition of insanity: making the same mistake over and over expecting different outcomes? Yeah by that definition US left is insane.

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      In reality I have never encountered people who strictly define themselves as “leftist”, “liberal”, “progressive”, “socialist”, “democratic socialist”, “communist”, “center-left”, “moderate left”, etc.

      seems like an attempt to drive wedges. Remember: We are all for a viable candidate that advances those issues even partially, versus the polar opposite.

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        Remember: We are all for a viable candidate that advances those issues even partially, versus the polar opposite.

        Not all of us, unfortunately.

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      while right has fully consolidated

      Well, apart from the literal assassination attempt

      The right has so much infighting that it’s dirty to even call them ‘the right’ as if it’s a single group. If the US weren’t using a FPTP system with the threat of vote spoiling, it would be much clearer just how split all political factions really are. Neo-Nazis have been calling Trump “Zion Don” for the past ten years and crying about all his links to da jooz and blags, the Libertarians disagree so much that about 2 million of them voted their own party instead of Rep or Dem in 2020. There’s even PACs like the Lincoln Project.

      The reason it’s important to recognize this is that it’s important to know their weaknesses. They’re not all one homogeneous group, and many of them literally want to kill each other.

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        fighting or not they have all lined up behind POTUS45 even if previously they criticized him etc. At the time when left is dilly-dallying and builds up “resistance centers”. Look, all the pro-Gazan declarations with conditional support for Biden is a waste of air as as soon as POTUS45 will grab his POTUS47 title it’s game over and they will have no recourse, and more likely than not public protests will get slowly outlawed. Look North of the border for examples of how it’s done (Alberta, Canada)… so no matter what they do nothing is going to change now the only differentiator is that Biden may listen whereas POTUS45 absolutely will not.

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      That’s why we should have Ranked Choice voting. people could give their preference a chance, while still counting their vote against those they don’t want in office.