Can we admit how completely fucked we are? Donald Trump is destroying the American economy and the American empire.
You. How fucked you are. Also if you believe in “the American empire” maybe you should be.
It’s “We” because “you” aren’t the subject of the article, it’s “We (the People).”
And you don’t think America is an empire? That’s a wild take on this site, most people treat that as a given.
From my perspective in Canada, there’s nothing the US can do to unfuck this situation.
Let’s say folks unseated Comrade Spraytan somehow and reversed all of his policies. I would still never trust their country again with economic or security dependence in the way that much of the world has enabled in the status quo.
It was the American voters who selected this foolishness, not once but twice. They and their country will not be trusted for a generation or maybe longer. They threw away a very good thing for them because of abject greed, and now it’s gone forever.
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I’m not sure why you deleted that, because you’re absolutely correct.
If not for being targeted, my own country would have elected a shitbird and we’d have become the lone US toady as the world isolated both of our countries, while the Americans treated us like an open pit mine.
So it’s not that I think my countrymen are inherently superior. The Albertans who want to create a landlocked country — deeply vulnerable to American bullying — are acting dumber than the poverty stricken folks supporting Spraytan.
And it’s not that I don’t trust democracy, I do trust that it’s reflecting will of the people. The American voters have shown a lack of priority to respecting their own commitments worldwide and a dislike of the world order that placed them at the centre. So while many in the country do have that commitment, their inability to keep the deplorables out of power means that the rest of the world can have no illusions about depending on them going forward.
And the problem isn’t Trump but rather the 30-40% that voted fir him
and the 30% that didn’t vote at all
That 30-ish% (or more) of Americans like and support fascism is a real problem. Its been a real problem for… roughly all of human history that 1/3 of us are selfish monsters that lack empathy.
Trump stole the election. He announced he would, his lackeys did extensive voter suppression work, and then he bragged about doing it afterwards. He didn’t win a fair election, and it’s disgusting that the narratives have fully blown past that.
The wealthiest people on Earth believe that we’re in an “end game” of some sort, and that now is the time to do everything in their considerable power to consolidate rule before the big collapse sets in. This isn’t an America problem, it’s a World Class War and the USA isnt even the first battlefield, just currently the most visible failure of the lower classes to fight back.
Trump stole the election.
I would very easily believe that Trump did, but I’m still going to need to see your source.
Out of ~250 million eligible voters (legally able, 18 or over, etc) roughly 32% voted for trump.
For Hitler, it was 37 percent of the popular vote. History does rhyme.
There’s no way to have stolen the 2024 election that wouldn’t require thousands working in secret. He won because more voted for him than for Harris.
It’s easier to say he stole the election than to address the alternatives:
- A significant portion of the voting public are fascists and,
- The Dems just arent very compelling.
So are there thousands of trump cultists ruining america (by strategicaly placing themselves in positions of power like voting volunteers, judges, sheriffs, and so on) or not?
Are you suggesting 100 million people voted for Trump and then went home to celebrate but otherwise didn’t do any fascist stuff? Didn’t take over any PTA’s to get books banned (documented) or take over any courts (some supreme ones even, perhaps) so that laws could be overturned and election decisions quickly made in Trump’s favor?
Its a global class war the Australian Murdoch family is a huge reason Americans vote they way they do. Also it has bled into Canada. The freedom convoy and people like Lauren Southern are paid shills for foreign billionaires.
He’s not Australian. Cunt gave up his Australian citizenship to buy a U.S. TV station. And yet still believes he can manipulate us too.
As far as we’re concerned, he’s dead to us.
I never asked for him to come here. Must be nice to dump your trash on someone else and claim innocence.
And Eastern European oligarchs and Middle Eastern oil tycoons who are bankrolling it. It’s not an America thing lol
Not only an American thing. However it definitely is an American thing.
The Murdochs all have American citizenship and don’t live in Australia.
Literally only Rupert was born in Australia, all the others are from Britain and the US.
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Must be nice being a racist who thinks the immigrants and their children can’t be American.
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And yet you think Murdoch and his children who are all American citizens living in America aren’t American?
Literally
I need to hire you to summarize my lengthy pretentious blathering into a nice concise sentence. :)
Can we please stop with the mental gymnastics of 30% didn’t vote 5% Tiger King and the rest got split between Harris and Trump?
The fact is that the majority of voters chose Trump, period. Now you guys need to get your shit together and fix this shitshow, but as others have said it already, the trust is gone.
You should read up on what majority means, because the majority definitely did not vote Trump. A case could be made that the people who abstained from voting in effect voted for Trump, and then a majority did vote for him, but it is nowhere near a majority of people who actually voted Trump.
The fact is that the majority of voters chose Trump, period
Except they didn’t. Trump received 49.8% of the vote. The actual fact is the majority of voters chose someone else, they just didn’t agree enough on who that someone else should be.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election
Trump received 49.8% of the vote.
Even that is misleading, since this is just the percentage of the people who actually voted. More people didn’t vote at all than voted for him.
The point is Trump is not the only problem and the 40% or so that supports him also need addressing. The problem is hundreds of millions of people not just one or two.
If they have proof then why arent they in court proving it?
They actively are. To run legal battles for recounts/audits in many different states is a ton of time, money, and manpower, so it’s not like they can just do it overnight. Also they are building their case to ensure it’s built on actual evidence, rather than Trump’s lawsuits in 2020-21 that started with the conclusion and worked back to find something.
No the problem is ALL the about 75% that didn’t vote against him.
They were fine with letting Trump win.According to usnews.com (maybe not the most reputable source but),
64% of the voting-eligible population in the U.S. voted in the 2024 election.
Of those, who voted, 49.8% voted trump and 48.3% voted kamala.
That means 31.8% of eligible voters voted for trump, 30.912% voted for kamala, 0.012% voted other, and 36% didnt vote at all. That makes it
62-63%68% of eligible voters didnt vote against him.Which isnt much better
30.912% voted for kamala
That makes 69.1% that didn’t vote against Trump.
Or in very rough rounded numbers.
About half voted, about half of those voted against Trump. = 75% that didn’t.
It was never meant to be an accurate number, but a ballpark rounded number. From 75 to 69 is 6% inaccurate. Good enough for the point I was trying to make. And more accurate numbers dont change the point in any way.
The point is a vast majority is OK with having a flaming fascist sociopath as president.
31%.
Yeah that’s how it seems to me too.
November 24 was a turning point, and this path was chosen in a free and fair election.
If Trump died tomorrow he would be replaced by someone just as bad by any meaningful metric.
You’ll never convince me it was a free and fair election. Just the perfectly legal shit that was done out in the open is enough to disqualify it as free and fair.
Semantics really.
No election is perfectly free and fair.
First you say it was free and fair, then you immediately turn about and say that doesn’t matter before there’s no such thing. Keep moving those goalposts, buddy!
As an American I know I will never look at America or other people the same way again. The last few months have opened me to ideas I never considered before and have completely changed how I view myself and even the people I used to trust. This is certainly the Gen Y/Z generation-wide trauma event. I’m not sure the AIDS epidemic was even this bad. Government negligence is one thing. This is complete disregard for the law.
I have news for you if you think the aids epidemic was negligent and not intentionally reckless because it was a “homosexual” disease.
Driven by racism and hate. Trumpsterfire gave them permission to act like themselves.
I’d throw in greed and ignorance into the mix but yes
This is how I see it as well. Its not about manufacturing either, you cant increase manufacturing during a recession when no one can afford anything and no one is willing to work low wages.
A lot of people, Americans, didn’t trust America before trump. America is getting played out and dragged across the ground by unholy people.
I heard someone say; Angels and Demons, I never knew you could see them.
It took time for me to understand the reality of that. Evil has humanity captured in its hand squeezing the life from its figurative body.
What’s worse, ime, the same evil will use spirituality and uplifting talk to gather control of people while at the same time making moves behind the scene that are completely evil. The same way, it seems, that our government convinces people to lead simple lives directed by media and entertainment consumption, even politics, to the point that people wouldn’t know how to live in honest reality if they tried. Real reality has been war. …but everyone chose escapism and now look where we are.
No one wants to believe the heartlessness it will take, the heartlessness that good honest people will have to commit, all the while trying not to get addicted to the power that comes with heartlessness, to defeat what is going on.
America’s already been dead and they are coming for the rest of you.
We have been at war for long time.
When you see evil with your own eyes you will probably understand that terms like the devil, evil, and unholy, are the most potent words that can describe them, regardless what your beliefs are.
They will do everything to uplift your life, just to tear it down and watch you suffer.
Something is going on, all the people that have dealt with gang stalking or corrupt government officials knows how dark it gets. Corruption is intertwined completely now into America and it can’t be undone with law and politics.
This is an undeniable truth many people know but they either buckle and become one of them, go to jail when they snap from the torment brought to them by those that took advantage of them, or they kill themselves.
Evil reigns and people pay for it because it takes their mind off the truth. Ignorance is bliss and that bliss makes money and that money owns the world. You can buy governments with that money. And with stake in the government you can have soldiers fight battles for you regardless of authentic and genuine righteousness.
Something is going on
The class war.
Same as it ever was.
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There’s a lot of money to be made by selling stuff to the US. I’ll be surprised if Canadian companies and trading agreements didn’t revert to their pre-Trump arrangements within a few years of him leaving office.
Will he ever leave office?
Also, Trump isn’t the only reason all of this shit is going down. It’s the entire Republican party. It’s every ICE agent, it’s the Supreme Court deciding a president is above the law, America is rotten to the core.
Richest country on the planet with plenty of land, many climates allowing a diverse range of crops, and various resources like oil and ores. And they’ve fucked it, just to get their hands on more and more dollars, to what purpose? Greedy fucks.
Will he ever leave office?
He’s an old man. Either Americans will get rid of him, or he’ll die of old age.
America is rotten to the core.
Is that new? The US has/had many great attributes, but they’ve never been as good as their PR pretends. Jim Crow, the Trail of Tears, Iraq, Vietnam, the CIA, etc.
Richest country on the planet … Greedy fucks.
I can’t disagree.
The US has managed to maintain disproportionate purchasing power for its size post WW2 due to trust and reliability. Purchasing power will inevitably erode as that trust diminishes and countries divest in the US.
Doesn’t mean countries will stop selling to American consumers overnight but it will happen over the next 5 to 10 years. No one wants to do business with an unreliable partner.
It would also be naive to assume Trump does not have a successor and that a significant number of the American populace don’t end up supporting him.
America has poisoned itself with its disinformation engines in the pursuit of never ending growth. Unless there is a major change in the status quo, this isn’t going to change anytime soon.
Oh, you misunderstand me.
Absolutely yes, people will continue to trade with the US after a few years. Hell, they are still doing it today!
What’s different is the level of dependence the rest of the world will enable in the future. Their special status no longer applies; and there is no trust they will be good actors in the future.
Long term cooperation will be built in anticipation of likely irrational and volatile behaviour. Something like the integrated North American auto industry or aligning with the US as primary defence contractor or intelligence, these mistakes will be not be repeated.
There will continue to be trade, but across the world a higher priority will be given to domestic production and alternative suppliers for critical products. For example Canada had been slowly retreating from our protectionist policies on dairy — but instead I expect these to now be strengthened. I expect to see a stronger push away from reliance on the US for military equipment, semiconductors, financial and digital services, and more.
Their special status no longer applies
Their special status is money, a productive economy, and a massive military. Trump may damage those attributes, but I suspect the US will generally retain them.
And other countries will line up to get access to that trough. Even if governments don’t want to buddy up, the moneyed classes in those countries will agitate to get access to that market.
I expect to see a stronger push away from reliance on the US for…
During COVID we said we were going to start producing our own vaccines, pharmaceuticals, and PPE. We said we would address the crisis in Canadian healthcare. In the three-ish years since the end of lockdowns, we’ve settled back into our pre-covid rut.
Post-Trump, it will be the same. As long as the US is a huge market, we’ll eventually settle back into the NAFTA rut.
It’s not just money, it’s the realization that we are nothing to them. It’s the betrayal of seeing someone you thought was a friend stab you in the front without remorse.
So I do believe it is different this time. Perhaps history will reveal you to be correct — PP yipping about being “Americas best friend” indicates at some think the old status quo will return — but I don’t think so.
No, not really.
Honestly we’ve been fucked since 2016.
I think many Americans can agree we were fucked ever since Ronald Reagan took office.
I kept hoping the boomers dying off would change things, but it looks like the new generation is even dumber.
57% of Gen Z men voted for Trump. This isn’t a Boomer only issue anymore.
No, 57% of registered Gen-Z voters who were men voted for Trump. Keep on mind over half of Gen Z didn’t even vote. So the overall percentage of Gen Z who voted for Trump is much, much smaller.
I’m betting like a fourth of Gen Z were told voting doesn’t work, and believe it.
I work with one of these types.
They’ve grown up in relative privilege (their parents are relatively more well off than the boomers’ parents), and still find stuff to complain about. It won’t reach a tipping point until they start feeling real pain. That, unfortunately, hasn’t happened yet.
Hey, now that’s not very nice… Telling the truth like that and all…
Martial law in maybe 5 days…
why. hes doing everything he could under martial law now without having to declare it.
At some point all of the ignored court rulings will force him into a proper coup. Until then you are right.
Apparently the reason he signs so many executive orders is because it allows him to bypass congress to enact his fascist policies.
Which is even more suspicious, considering he does have a congress majority as well.
Because April 20th was always the plan…
Likely because it’s hitlers b-day.
Have you legitimately not heard that date between project 2025 leaking and now?
Leaking?
On April 20th his goons submit a report answering whether to call up the military to address the “crisis”. It’s theater to escalate further.
I kind of hope he does, so maybe the idiots that can do something will.
Might be a bit generous
I wish. I wish we admitted the moment we saw the election results. The longer we wait the harder it will be.
At a certain point we will just become russia.
If want to know the truth here it is: There are no good choices left. Sacrifice now, or sacrifice later. The only winners are people who die before they have to pay up.
USA is Number 1! … In denial.
Wo’, propa’ facked? Yes Tommee, Propa’ facked
Like ze Germans
We were already completely fucked. We knew this in the 70’s and reconfirmed it in 2023. With Trump reinstalled, we’re extra super-duper double-stamp no-erasies fucked.
Welp sure. Now what?
Volunteer, door to door, deep canvas, fundraise, be heard on social media: anyone except red.
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What stage of decline is it when Trumpers are bragging about a stat that still shows a majority of the population saying we’re on the wrong track?
Not bragging, but certainly better than the last 4 years.
According to your own stats, the majority of people disagree with that assessment and think things are still getting worse.
But regardless, what people think isn’t necessarily reflective of reality. This is the best argument you can muster, not that Trump is actually improving things in specific, tangible ways, but just, “My guy has managed to convince marginally fewer people to hate him than hated the last guy.” Of course, we’ll see how many people still feel that way by the end of his term when we’ll have likely fallen into a recession thanks to his bullshit.
If you look at the historical polls about the direction of the country, wrong track always win, it is just a matter of how bad.
Significant improvement since taking office is a good first step for the Trump administration.
https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/state-of-the-union/direction-of-country
If you look at the historical polls about the direction of the country, wrong track always win, it is just a matter of how bad.
Yeah, no shit. That’s the point. What you’re bragging about is “Most people hate us, but they hate us marginally less than they hated the other guy.” It’s pretty pathetic that that’s the point we’re at.
Significant improvement since taking office is a good first step for the Trump administration.
It’s not a “good first step for the Trump administration.” Trump didn’t do shit to actually improve anything, it’s just that he has a significant following who defend anything and everything he does, or are willing to give a different face a chance. Democratic voters are more likely to vote reluctantly while still seeing the country on the wrong track if their guy wins. It means nothing. The minority of people who think like you are simply wrong and the majority who disagree with you are correct.
LOL
See this is the problem right here. 1/3 of Americans are deplorable, always have been, back to the founding fathers. And it only took 28% to elect Trump/Elon/Vance. How can the world ever trust the US political system again? It’s been hacked by Citizens United, and at this point has been completely corrupted by the billionaires. I do believe that it can be fixed, but it won’t be. This has been a long time in the making.
What do you mean 28% to elect Trump? Are you including people who are ineligible to vote?
Anyway, the problem is that you think the other side are deplorable instead of trying to understand why more voters voted for Trump rather than Kamala. You are the problem.
Ohhh look a fake ass patriot thinks he’s doing something American when actually he’s the most controlled person in this thread
Would love to hear your explanation as to why voters chose Trump over Kamala that doesn’t boil down to being duped into conflating popularity with functional policy.
Our government is a clown show of reality TV rejects that you have rationalized as qualified due to a diet of purely manufactured infotainment.
Anyone with any meaningful government experience has done nothing but warn you about how little fucks Trump gives about this country, but you think because he puts himself in front of an American flag he has every right to store all our countries most valuable secrets in a bathroom with a fax machine readily accessible to any foreign agent willing to pay Jared more billions.
Trump has done nothing but shit in your mouth, and the only one believing it tastes good is you. Too bad generations of Americans will now have to eat it too because you’ve been tricked into thinking punishing made up enemies somehow equates to societal progress.
28% of registered voters
It always darkest before the dawn…
Wrenching the DNC from the neoliberals was a huge win, and means we’re not only more likely to win the next election, we’ll actually get someone willing to help while in office.
Without neoliberals fixing the primary, we’re more likely to get a nominee that actually shares the same policy values as Dem voters.
With them in control of the party we had zero chance of actually winning, the best result with them was things just slowly got worse.
Wealth inequality exploded under Biden, and nothing was permanently fixed.
So today sucks, and so will a lot of days coming up, but shit…
At least there’s a chance for shit to get better now
Wait, we wrenched the DNC from neolibs? When did that happen?
DNC chair election was in February, we got Ken Martin who was the state party chair of Minnesota.
Where he has a very long track record of not standing in the way of voters and giving them the most popular candidates by letting fair primaries happen.
There’s a reason people haven’t heard of that yet mainstream media suddenly started being ok with pointing out flaws of the DNC
Now that it’s not beholden to billionaires, they want Dems to lose even tho the n xt four years will be a shit show
Billionaires will always pick a fascist over a progressive
Ken “we will take money from good billionaires” Martin is a neoliberal.
The DNC is in the same hands.
That’s the only bad thing people can say about him lol…
It was a “gotcha question” during the chair campaign that was only asked to hurt his chances and help the neoliberals candidates.
The question:
Would you refuse donations from any billionaire?
Was bait, and he isn’t a big enough idiot to fall for it.
“The only bad thing you can say about him is that he’s happy to take orders from billionaires lol…” Is this meant to be a good thing for you?
“From the river to the sea” is a chant used by extremists to support the destruction of Israel. It is appalling to embrace this rhetoric in this statement, which also doesn’t even acknowledge the slaughter of Israeli & American civilians.
https://x.com/kenmartin73/status/1711559578897252524
Cope all you want but he’s pro-billionaire, pro-Israel, and more of the same. Time will show you this.
“The only bad thing you can say about him is that he’s happy to take orders from billionaires lol…” Is this meant to be a good thing for you?
He said he wouldn’t refuse donations from any billionaire, because saying he would refuse donations from any billionaire would have prevented him from becoming DNC chair…
Cope
I’ve literally never seen that word used by someone making a rational argument, maybe someday it’ll happen someday tho.
And yeah, he’s so “pro Israel” that the state he was chair of is one of the few out of aipacs grasp
Have a nice life bud.
It didn’t.
There needs to be a next election before any of that. I’m not being pessimistic; Trump is reenacting the Nazis’ consolidation for power and he will go after free and fair elections. Hell, he’s already started with the SAVE act. It’s up to Americans whether this is right before dawn or the start of a long, long night.
I posted this elsewhere, but there’s already enough “weirdness” that the 2024 election should at least be double checked. I’m a senior data scientist and ETA’s reports are enough to at least raise my eyebrow. We need more comparisons to past elections to confirm that this is truly anomalous, but if that’s shown, then we’ve got some real shit to deal with.
To say they hacked the tabulation machines to inject vote flipping code is a massive accusation, so that requires a lot of solid evidence and we don’t have the smoking gun right now, but we do have possibly some shell casings at the scene.
He’ll fight tooth and nail to make the next election go his way. Loss of majority means there’s a chance he’ll be held accountable and that’s an unacceptable proposition for him.
By the midterms elections will be either rigged beyond repair or Trump will have consolidated so much power that Congress will be nothing more than window dressing. As a wise man once said. This isn’t Orban-style “nice” authoritarianism; this is a full on full-speed fascist takeover of the United States.
Buy the ticket, take the ride! Are you tired of winning yet?
Idk I find if funny to read American empire capitalist decline, imperialist defeat, and Zionist fanaticism within the first few sentences of an Article.
Like how deep do you have to be in the American left “liberal” talking points.
Liberal talking points are basically nowhere to be found in this article. Liberal talking points are things like “Israel has a right to defend itself”, “I’m a capitalist”, “We should balance the budget by reducing spending”, “nothing will fundamentally change”, etc.
Don’t the left in the USA call themselves liberals?
The left in the USA is basically non-existent organizationally speaking. We have a center-right party (Democrats, or what you’re referring to as liberals) and a fascist party (Republicans).
Probably most leftists in the US that vote vote for Democrats, but I (like many others) sit well to the left of classic “liberalism” (i.e. “free markets, free trade, free people”) and “neoliberalism” (de-regulate everything, cut tax rates, and form “private-public partnerships”).
As the article covers, Zionism, for instance, is deeply embedded in both parties.
