Intelligence is when sixty years of cheap copaganda is swallowed without question, and the more copaganda that’s swallowed, the more intelligent they is.
I could say a lot about the degraded state of policing in this country, how policing is a useful function that is not being fulfilled in many places, how cops have turned into all-but-legalized-gangs in many areas, how the government itself has precious little control over local policing forces which have become insular and PR-obsessed tribal organizations… but I suspect all of it would be lost on you.
You could indeed say such things all you want, but all of it would be incredibly biased and non-factual. I do not doubt for a second you really see the world through such a hateful lens, but police aren’t scum. It really does take a lot of growing up to see that. The truth is, what I’m saying in supporting the work of police is always lost on people like you. You don’t WANT to hear anything good about them, so all you see is exaggerated degradation and corruption everywhere you look.
You don’t WANT to hear anything good about them, so all you see is exaggerated degradation and corruption everywhere you look.
Jesus.
It is amusing how I’m probably one of the more pro-policing people around on Lemmy, because I have a deep understanding of the history of police and policing, its alternatives, its strengths, its weaknesses, its functions, and its development.
I understand how policing in America has twisted roots in the 19th century that have worsened connections to local powers, decreased accountability to the general population, and increased resilience against regulations; along with cultural developments from the 50s and 60s that have created a hagiography that has rendered them all but immune to electoral consequences; and legal developments from the 80s onward which have rendered what ‘responsibilities’ they previously had moot, changing the behavior of police from what they’re theoretically supposed to do, and into just ‘whatever they feel like doing at the moment’, putting innocents and criminals into the dubious mercy of people hired with no fucking oversight and a culture of perpetuating that.
I’m critical of police because I want police departments to be better. I’m critical of police because Robert Peel had a great idea, and America has fucked it worse than nearly any other developed country on earth. I’m critical of police because I want to be able to respect police - and right now, I fucking can’t.
Everyone wants police departments to be better, but not all police departments are corrupt. Everyone wants schools, churches, political organizations, and every other institution to be better and less corrupt, nobody is arguing against that idea.
There are bad apples in every situation. As a social worker with local police departments, I see the good that police do every day. You think that police are the source of America’s problems, I say they are about the only thing standing between us and total annihilation.
When people here in Utah began publically protesting after George Floyd’s death, what did they do - did they peacefully gather and demonstrate? No, they attacked public buildings and destroyed property, they dumped red paint all over public spaces and smashed bus windows and set fire to people’s cars and houses and looted businesses.
If that’s the world you want then that’s the world you shall have. Me, I’d rather live in a well-policed state with some modicum of sensible law abiding-ness going on.
Fwiw, after you cool down, go back and re-read what you wrote. Entirely separate from what you said, how you said it pissed a whole bunch of people off.
Get your goat? No, I’m just clowning on some dickhead who likes to say stupid shit like, “I can always gauge a person’s real IQ by how much esteem they have for the police.”
That’s okay, you were wrong and it’s good to be able to admit it. Obviously police don’t kill people with impunity (though it has happened, I’m not naive about that) - but also obviously police do good work and help people out, at least they do where I live.
I don’t because I live in my family’s estate which is part of my trust. And yes, it’s a guarded area and in an upscale part of town, but so what - that doesn’t mean I can’t still be humane and support police efforts. Maybe it takes some distance from the problems of depressed neighborhoods to see where the problems really are, and they are not with the police.
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Intelligence is when sixty years of cheap copaganda is swallowed without question, and the more copaganda that’s swallowed, the more intelligent they is.
I could say a lot about the degraded state of policing in this country, how policing is a useful function that is not being fulfilled in many places, how cops have turned into all-but-legalized-gangs in many areas, how the government itself has precious little control over local policing forces which have become insular and PR-obsessed tribal organizations… but I suspect all of it would be lost on you.
You could indeed say such things all you want, but all of it would be incredibly biased and non-factual. I do not doubt for a second you really see the world through such a hateful lens, but police aren’t scum. It really does take a lot of growing up to see that. The truth is, what I’m saying in supporting the work of police is always lost on people like you. You don’t WANT to hear anything good about them, so all you see is exaggerated degradation and corruption everywhere you look.
You’re right, they aren’t scum. This would be an insult to scum.
I’m always right, thanks for getting it!
Jesus.
It is amusing how I’m probably one of the more pro-policing people around on Lemmy, because I have a deep understanding of the history of police and policing, its alternatives, its strengths, its weaknesses, its functions, and its development.
I understand how policing in America has twisted roots in the 19th century that have worsened connections to local powers, decreased accountability to the general population, and increased resilience against regulations; along with cultural developments from the 50s and 60s that have created a hagiography that has rendered them all but immune to electoral consequences; and legal developments from the 80s onward which have rendered what ‘responsibilities’ they previously had moot, changing the behavior of police from what they’re theoretically supposed to do, and into just ‘whatever they feel like doing at the moment’, putting innocents and criminals into the dubious mercy of people hired with no fucking oversight and a culture of perpetuating that.
I’m critical of police because I want police departments to be better. I’m critical of police because Robert Peel had a great idea, and America has fucked it worse than nearly any other developed country on earth. I’m critical of police because I want to be able to respect police - and right now, I fucking can’t.
Man I’m glad somebody else is aware of this. I feel less alone.
And don’t forget the lionizing of first responders after 9/11 that turned the effect of the Hays Code up to 11.
We’re sharing a drink called bitterness, but it’s better than drinking alone
Everyone wants police departments to be better, but not all police departments are corrupt. Everyone wants schools, churches, political organizations, and every other institution to be better and less corrupt, nobody is arguing against that idea.
There are bad apples in every situation. As a social worker with local police departments, I see the good that police do every day. You think that police are the source of America’s problems, I say they are about the only thing standing between us and total annihilation.
When people here in Utah began publically protesting after George Floyd’s death, what did they do - did they peacefully gather and demonstrate? No, they attacked public buildings and destroyed property, they dumped red paint all over public spaces and smashed bus windows and set fire to people’s cars and houses and looted businesses.
If that’s the world you want then that’s the world you shall have. Me, I’d rather live in a well-policed state with some modicum of sensible law abiding-ness going on.
Jesus fucking Christ.
Do you think they get paid to spread misinformation online or is it volunteer work?
Volunteer work. Never underestimate the willingness of bootlickers to do unpaid labor.
Finally you get my point and agree with me. I’m glad to hear it!
Fwiw, after you cool down, go back and re-read what you wrote. Entirely separate from what you said, how you said it pissed a whole bunch of people off.
I love that!! Another great pic, thanks!
No, you can’t.
You just proved that I can every time.
Huh? How does that make sense?
They’re just a troll. Or a kid, which amounts to the same thing.
She’s a wacko that goes off her meds and posts ridiculous crap.
Lovin’ it!
Even by your standards, that was low effort.
Doesn’t need much.
I’m sure you think you’re firing off solid gold zingers here but you’re just coming across as a sad little know-it-all troll.
Try and be better, yeah?
And you’re right, I am firing off gold zingers. You know what really pisses people off? When they can’t get my goat no matter how hard they try! :)
Get your goat? No, I’m just clowning on some dickhead who likes to say stupid shit like, “I can always gauge a person’s real IQ by how much esteem they have for the police.”
what
is that what you think is happening here
sounds good!
And here I thought the pigs who abuse their authority and kill people with impunity were the real scum. Huh
That’s okay, you were wrong and it’s good to be able to admit it. Obviously police don’t kill people with impunity (though it has happened, I’m not naive about that) - but also obviously police do good work and help people out, at least they do where I live.
Let me guess…you don’t happen to live in a minority/economically depressed neighborhood?
I don’t because I live in my family’s estate which is part of my trust. And yes, it’s a guarded area and in an upscale part of town, but so what - that doesn’t mean I can’t still be humane and support police efforts. Maybe it takes some distance from the problems of depressed neighborhoods to see where the problems really are, and they are not with the police.
You’re trying too hard now.
Nope. You lose again.
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Well there you go, I like that. It’s a great photo!