I just can’t trust people walking around with 9 meals plus snacks in them

Lack of fiber in their small diets.

Also not everyone eats taco bell twice daily.

Try eating once a day and you’ll experience something similar. (Probably not healthy)

That was one for the history books

To add:

Someone posted in a UK sub asking if a “Good News UK” community would be good.

I commented something like: “It’d make sense to set up and leave it empty while bloicking any submissions cos there’s bugger all good news about this country”

4 DAY BAN but not just from the Good News UK community - from every other community they moderated including the Nature one which pissed me off most of all cos I fucking love British nature!

Hedgehogs are my fave animal and I’ve nurtered some back to health. I love tits and especially the crested tit.

Heaven forbid anyone leave a wry comment! Christ you’ll get banned from fucking everything.

So no, banter is dead. Humour is dead unless it follows a brain-dead Reddit meme everyone understands.

I’m wholely in agreement, anyone who entertains the idea of “/s” can get in the fucking sea.

Java devs really have NO sense of fucking humour.

This is just a universal truth. If they had the intelligence for understanding humour, they’d not need such a verbose language.

Triggered.

The Internet as a whole lost its goddamn mind around 2016, or at the very least, lost the ability to detect sarcasm. Previous to that, you could say crazy, unhinged things, and people could look at your comment and go, “Haha, obviously this person is joking, they said a funny.” We could just assume a person was being ironic or sarcastic when they were making a crazy statement. Since 2016 though, you have to finish with the /s tag, or else people will jump all over you, even if you’re trying to make a point in support of their actual position. I’ve had plenty of comments where I’m sarcastically trying to make a point, only for someone to reply and bluntly make the argument I was trying to make through sarcasm. Or they’ll accuse you of being x/y/z because people go out of their way to be offended and find the worst possible interpretation of whatever your comment is.

On the one hand, there’s alot of misinformation getting flung around, alot of trollbots and state-actors trying to muck up our democracy, and it’s gumming up the works, but on the other hand, some people just seem like they’ve lost the ability to detect sarcasm.

I think wit is hard over text. To you it’s obvious you’re joking, and that your joke is that this comment is ridiculous.

To others it can read as someone making a joke with little respect for the Original post.

Take the meth one for example, I can see you being downvoted for that if the original post was serious.

The UK one just sounds stupid though, but then again mods of a Lemmy instance are likely to be people that take things (like Reddit fucking their API) quite seriously. This means our population pool may be a little skewed towards the serious.

On the other hand, I’ve seen lots of humour here. Especially from the AI generated community with their, a’hem, themes.

This is the real answer. :(

I’ll have you know I’m developing an FTL drive in Java, asshole!

No really, I agree with your sentiment. Joking around here is taken at literal face value. Makes it feel a bit stale.

Maybe you forgot the “/s”

I think I have an idea. When you post/comment, there should be a checkmark for “are you being serious?”. The default value should be chosen on a sub-per-sub basis, so all comments non-serious by default on, say, c/memes, and serious on c/news, for example. Then that information should be hidden unless you downvote or reply to a comment/post of the opposite seriousness to the default of the sub you’re in (I guess there could also be an option to see the warning always or on demand).

I think I should post this properly somewhere but idk where…

Is that why I wasn’t let into Wayland? It all makes sense now

If everywhere you go smells like shit…

I get where you’re coming from, and it would be great if it was at all possible to reliably identify internet sarcasm, but at this point the waters are so muddy it’s impossible to tell. I have absolutely no faith in anyone online at this point, and most of us are here in the Fediverse specifically because we’re so sick of the crazies all over other social media. I can easily believe there are people that would share exactly what you typed above and mean it.

Frankly, sarcasm is already the laziest, most braindead form of humor anyway. If you can’t even be bothered to at least make it clear you’re joking, it’s really a ‘you’ problem if you get misunderstood.

I feel like lemmy was a lot funner a few months ago. Imo, the weeks between the reddit protests and the actual app ban were peak. People were so optimistic and friendly! It really felt like a better reddit. I know that the honeymoon feeling wouldn’t have lasted, but I think the social dynamic here really took a turn for the worse when hexbear first federated. After a few weeks of putting up with them for the sake of giving them a chance, I finally had enough and blocked them, but I feel like their general sense of unhappiness and combativeness has spread. I’m considering laying off this place because it’s getting toxic and I don’t think it’s good for me.

Unfortunately it’s because the sheer amount of stupidity in the real world means you can never be sure if someone is being serious. Also unfortunately, when a platform has a wide enough audience there will always be people that have a vested interest in topics no matter how potentially outlandish it might seem. So they will react emotionally to things that for most people aren’t that serious. That’s just my take though. Also add in trolls and that tops it all off.

But we’ll go farther than Plato. Longcat, a photograph, is a textbook example of a second-degree mimesis. (We might promote it to the third degree since the image on the internet is a digital copy of the original photograph of the physical cat which is itself a copy of Platonic ideal of a cat (the Godcat, if you will); but this line of thought doesn’t change anything in the argument.) The text-supplemented meme, on the other hand, the captioned cat, is at an infinite remove from the Godcat, the ultimate mimesis, copying the copy of itself eternally, the written language and the image echoing off each other, until it finally loops back around to the truth by virtue of being so far from it. It becomes its own truth, the fidelity of the eternal copy. It becomes a God.

Writing itself is the archetypical pharmakon and the archetypical copy, if you’ll come back with me to the Phaedrus (if we ever really left it). Speech is the real deal, Socrates says, with a smug little wink to his (written) dialogic buddy. Speech is alive, it can defend itself, it can adapt and change. Writing is its bastard son, the mimic, the dead, rigid simulacrum. Writing is a copy, a mīmēma, of truth in speech. To return to our analogous issue: the image of the cheezburger cat, the copy of the picture-copy-copy, is so much closer to the original Platonic ideal than the written language that accompanies it. (“Pharmakon” can also mean “paint.” Think about it, Jane. Just think about it.) The image is still fake, but it’s the caption on the cat that is the downfall of the republic, the real fakeness, which is both realer and faker than whatever original it is that it represents. Men and gods abhor the lie, Plato says in sections 382 a and b of the Republic.

οὐκ οἶσθα, ἦν δ᾽ ἐγώ, ὅτι τό γε ὡς ἀληθῶς ψεῦδος, εἰ οἷόν τε τοῦτο εἰπεῖν, πάντες θεοί τε καὶ ἄνθρωποι μισοῦσιν; πῶς, ἔφη, λέγεις; οὕτως, ἦν δ᾽ ἐγώ, ὅτι τῷ κυριωτάτῳ που ἑαυτῶν ψεύδεσθαι καὶ περὶ τὰ κυριώτατα οὐδεὶς ἑκὼν ἐθέλει, ἀλλὰ πάντων μάλιστα φοβεῖται ἐκεῖ αὐτὸ κεκτῆσθαι.

“Don’t you know,” said I, “that the veritable lie, if the expression is permissible, is a thing that all gods and men abhor?” “What do you mean?” he said. “This,” said I, “that falsehood in the most vital part of themselves, and about their most vital concerns, is something that no one willingly accepts, but it is there above all that everyone fears it.”

Man’s worst fear is that he will hold existential falsehood within himself. And the verbal lies that he tells are a copy of this feared dishonesty in the soul. Plato goes on to elaborate: “the falsehood in words is a copy of the affection in the soul, an after-rising image of it and not an altogether unmixed falsehood.” A copy of man’s false internal copy of truth. And what word does Plato use for “copy” in this sentence? That’s fucking right, μίμημα. Mīmēma. Mimesis. Meme. The new meme is a lie, manifested in (written) words, that reflects the lack of truth, the emptiness, within the very soul of a human. The meme is now not only an inferior copy, it is a deceptive copy.

But just wait, it gets better. Plato continues in the very next section of the Republic, 382 c. Sometimes, he says, the lie, the meme, is appropriate, even moral. It is not abhorrent to lie to your enemy, or to your friend in order to keep him from harm. “Does it [the lie] not then become useful to avert the evil—as a medicine?” You get one fucking guess for what Greek word is being translated as “medicine” in this passage. Ding ding motherfucking ding, you got it, φάρμακον, pharmakon. The μίμημα is a φάρμακον, the lie is a medicine/poison, the meme is a pharmakon.

But I’m sure that by now you’ve realized the (intentional) mistake in my argument that brought us to this point. I said earlier that the addition of written language to the meme flipped the pharmakon on its axis. But the pharmakon didn’t flip, it doesn’t have an axis. It was always both remedy and poison. The fact that this isn’t obvious to us from the very beginning of the discussion is the fault of, you guessed it, language. The initial lie (writing) clouds our vision and keeps us from realizing how false the second-order lie (the meme) is.

The very structure of the lying meme mirrors the structure of the written word that defines and corrupts it. Once you try to identify an “outside” in order to reveal the lie, the whole framework turns itself inside-out so that you can never escape it. The cat wants the cheezburger that exists outside the meme, but only through the meme do we become aware of the presumed existence of the cheezburger — we can’t point out the absurdity of the world of the meme without also indicting our own world. We can’t talk about language without language, we can’t meme without mimesis. Memes didn’t change between ‘06 and ‘07, it was us who changed. Or rather, our understanding of what we had always been changed. The lie became truth, the remedy became the poison, the outside became the inside. Which is to say that the truth became lie, the pharmakon was always the remedy and the poison, and the inside retreated further inside. It all came full circle. Because here’s the secret, Jane. Language ruined the meme, yes. But language itself had already been ruined. By that initial poisonous, lying copy. Writing.

The First Meme.

Language didn’t attack the meme in 2007 out of spite. It attacked it to get revenge.

Longcat is long. Language is language. Pharmakon is pharmakon. The phoneme topples the grapheme, witches ride through the night, our skulls hide secret messages on their surfaces, Smash Mouth is good after all. Hey now, you’re an all-star. Get your game on. Go play.

Perfect. 👌

Bold of you to assume that they like you now.

Like, otherwise this is just another fucking news site.

It’s annoying because people have opinions including those that create the titles for the news links and more often than not even the medical news is subjected to the weird and shitty clickbait tactics used across the net.

I would also like to express my opinion without having to worry about other people’s fucking feelings (within reason; nothing related to hate) like for fucks sake I understand that some people align a certain direction politically, I don’t hate you, I just don’t agree and think that you might’ve rushed to a conclusion there.

Ediiiiit: I like the Lemmy hivemind, it’s much more tolerable and thoughtful than the other fucking site. So I’m not asking for a change actually. I prefer to be told why my opinion sucks but having to explain my whole thought process is a tiny bit aggravating sometimes in order for both of us to realize that we were arguing about two different things. Like… what the fuck man.

Pensioners?

Thanks for participating… Yeah I post photos I’ve taken to my local city communities. If I posted to !pics@lemmy.world they’d likely get more traction but seeing 8 upvotes makes me happy enough that someone liked it.

That hurt my visual cortex holders.