My beef with Lemmy:
- It’s weighted towards politics
- Not a lot of niche sub critical mass yet (though this is not its fault at all)
- But holy moly, it’s a political purity test! Like, I think of myself as pretty socialist, way far off center, but I feel totally alone veering off certain topics or even acknowledging certain things! I’m (mostly) not getting banned, and I am not leaving, but still.
For the moment, I just don’t engage in political discussion on Lemmy. It is way to extreme for me in general. It makes sense tho that those who don’t feel their opinions fit anywhere else (or get them banned etc.) gather in a place that allows for freer discussion, which I think is a good thing really.
And also just posting about niche music makes me happier than getting angry online so… That’s been a good motivation.
I don’t have any problems being occasionally politically incorrect on lemmy. Even if you get tons of downvotes, so what?
It’s not about downvotes. It is about me not wanting to spend my free time on something as pointless as arguing politics on the internet. Generally extremely unfulfilling and I feel like I lost out afterwards.
Like I get why people enjoy it but for a lot of people it is mainly a negative experience…
frankly, lemmy is literally only place I have found where you can discuss politics reasonably. I also try to rid myself of any pride about being right about anything and actually look forward to being called out if someone thinks i’m wrong. Then I can take a look at what they say and adjust my own opinions if the other guy makes sense.
Though i dont go to .ml, they seem more interested in witch hunts than making anything better.
That’s probably for the best Jamie Oliver - you do have a public persona to consider.
Yeah, but at least I can make a grilled cheese unlike that other dunce Gordon
in reddit you have to walk on eggshells when your in those subs, even if your “agreeing with everyone else”, one simple misconstruement will get you banned.
in reddit you have to walk on eggshells when your in those subs, even if your “agreeing with everyone else”, one simple misconstruement will get you banned.
The rando-ban problem on reddit is its biggest flaw. I’m afraid to submit anything there. And I generally only comment in small subs.
i did that unbeknownst they were haivng a ban wave last week, and subs upping thier spam removal filters, plus they dont like if you report too much, or report something the MODS dont like, from what ive gathered if a mod responds to your “report of another player” you are mostly getting a warning, or ban from thier subreddit, and this also it constitutes as account-wide violation once you get banned by a mod for reporting someone. and its also corroborated on the “modsupport” sub that they hate having to deal with Report abuse in general.
See, that’s exactly the kind of thing I come here for. Keep doing it!
Honestly I think your approach is closer to the ideal: it’s pretty poisonous to the mind if most of the content you take in is political in nature. You need to explore other stuff too, broaden horizons and all that.
I’ve been learning how to design parts with CAD software and 3D print it. Also got a home server going to host games and media, among other things. These hobbies keep me sane, and that’s what I’m ultimately getting at: people need to get a hobby that isn’t about being mad on the internet.
Also instead of just whining on the internet, its far more effective to engage in local politics and build up a base of people there than hoping that “someone” will do “something” about the whole country. That “someone” has to come from somewhere: create the grassroots that can be the base from which change springs.
Can I ask what resources your using to teach yourself CAD? I want to learn it as well.
MangoJelly’s FreeCAD course is great, but there are others out there too. https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWuyJLVUNtc3UYXXfSglVpfWdX31F-e5S
But holy moly, it’s a political purity test! Like, I think of myself as pretty socialist, way far off center, but I feel totally alone veering off certain topics or even acknowledging certain things! I’m (mostly) not getting banned, and I am not leaving, but still.
I saw people advocating for damaging people’s Teslas and it was fucking stupid. Beyond the fact that many people are not in a position where they can just get rid of a car over political reasons, it is likely many or even the majority of Tesla owners do not vote Republican (conservatives have been much slower to adopt EVs): you’re very likely going to damage vehicles owned by totally innocent people.
I own a non-Tesla EV but either way it would be excessively expensive to switch to another car on a whim, and I sure as hell am not going to deprive my family just because seeing my car’s brand hurts people’s feelings.
but I feel totally alone veering off certain topics or even acknowledging certain things!
So what? Do it anyway. Who cares about downvotes? Sounds like discussions can benefit from your input.
I’ve pointed out more than once that the phrase “Palestinian Genocide” is hyperbole.
Agree with the sentiment, I feel like cybertrucks deserve an exemption though, agree or disagree?
If anything, cybertrucks come pre-damaged
or it can damage you by slicing you in two, i heard one instantly cut a deer in half when it crashed into one.
If this is your form of protest at least target someone who has materially contributed to this state of affairs, and by that I don’t mean random Republican voters.
People who have materially contributed to this state of affairs Republican voters
This Venn diagram is a circle.
that part is wierd, conservatives dont own EVS, PERIOD fox has been telling how evs are a }pansy liberal thing", cybertruck is anomaly though.
I feel like 3 kinda comes with the territory of politics. The sort of people who mod political forums have more rigid ideas of what ideas should prevail in the discourse than someone modding a board for embedded electronics, not that that’s an inherently bad thing.
It just feels worse because a greater portion of Lemmy is politics; here I’ve caught bans for being insufficiently pro-Kamala months after the election or not going along with a china bad circlejerk, but at reddit people catch bans for “John Brown did nothing wrong” or just posting footage from Palestine.
Yeah. To be clear, I don’t feel “persecuted” by the administration, just the community. That’s a very important difference.
the gaza/palestine thing is very tricky, many of the subs have been infiltrated by pro-israeli mods, early on the war, they were spamming “jews are doing nothing wrong, if we jews dont destroy them they will destroy us”, i pointed out in one, where the war was instigated and started by the same person who is keeping himself out of jail in israel.
i pointed out in one, where the war was instigated and started by the same person who is keeping himself out of jail in israel.
Israel has a terrible PM. But the war was started by Hamas.
Pro-zionist sentiment was definitely prevalent on here following Oct 7th. It took many months for anti-zionist sentiment to outpace it, thanks to many people debunking their misinformation and sharing articles that showed the reality that most Western Media downplayed if not ignored
On places like reddit, we mostly continue to see more and more banning of anything anti-zionist. r/Palestine might be the only place left that isn’t aggressively pro-zionist on there
on r/worldnews my whole acct was suspended for 7 days for contradicting bibi, and HAMAS, who started the war, the commentor threw a fit and made a nasty comment and reported me, sometimes you can tell who reported you by looking at your previous message.
Adi Callai has done a phenomenal analysis of the situation, The Gaza Ghetto Uprising. I highly recommend if you’re interested.
Reddit is a lost cause, seeing how worldnews was regulated to promote Zionist disinformation was enough for me to leave. I think the kind of open source and federated communities such as Lemmy have much potential. Hard to say if they will be or not when it comes to genuine organization of working class people, but hopefully it can help in some way.
I’ve caught bans for being insufficiently pro-Kamala
I talked some shit during the election and didn’t cop a ban lol. I guess you either had more visibility or were in even more extreme places than I was?
Reddit has the same issue though.
But it’s still far more political here…
It’s more politically informed, for certain.
Lemmy Leftists feel like that old Emo Philips joke at times.
Apparently anyone not wanting to live in a grey soviet tower block and have all their worldly possessions be redistributed by the state is a “fucking Lib”
People who call themselves “leftists” and hate “liberals” are almost always Stalinists or Communists. “Left” is actually a word that covers an entire spectrum of left of center: liberals, ultraliberals, and radical.
The irony is that the Stalinists are using a misleading inclusive word “leftist”, but historically Stalin and Lenin considered all the other leftist parties in Russia to be their main enemy, not people on the right. Members of these 2 leftist parties were their very first victims. All of them were killed or sent to the Gulag. And then later Stalin made an alliance with Hitler.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Revolutionary_Party
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mensheviks <— this party was originally the very same party as the Bolsheviks and was the majority faction.
“Emo” is one hell of a name.
And a hell of a comedian.
It’s scary until you notice you don’t get banned for disagreeing & challenging their dumbassery (as long as you follow the rules), unlike reddit where the slightest wrong move & it’s BAN BAN BAN. Fuck that place.
It also helps to check which instance a post comes from & adjust your expectations accordingly.
currently on reddit the slightest misconstrued of your comment will get you banned, my favorite is always “harassment and hate”. i was in the gym sub, and someone qouted machelenny as someone “that naturally achieved that look” from isaip, and responded with "roids and juiced up. instant ban, and you contact the mods for a whole month.
To compound the situation, the reporting process against moderators is hidden from view & a joke, and they practically prohibit any place to openly share notes on bad moderators, so users can’t collectively gather compelling evidence, organize, and condemn bad moderators.
Moderator Code of Conduct: Rule 3:
As a moderator, you cannot interfere with or disrupt Reddit communities, nor can you facilitate, encourage, coordinate, or enable members of your community to do this.
Interference includes:
- Enabling or encouraging content that showcases when users are banned or actioned in other communities, with the intent to incite a negative reaction.
Again, fuck that place.
It also helps to check which instance a post comes from & adjust your expectations accordingly.
Fundamentally, Reddit has (in the Past) better moderation, and theirs is lousy.
now its auto-moderating for the large, ones and overmoderation everywhere else.
It’s expected. Right now, it is becoming a safe space for political dissidence. As sentiment pools and gathers mass, things tend to get towards the polar opposites and revolt breeds more revolt. Anything less than total agreement is viewed sideways.
I got banned from the Star Trek Memes sub, or something, for very mild trolling. I don’t even remember what earned it, I think I said I can’t get my head around an animated Star Trek and can’t accept it as canon or something, and then the trolling was just me doubling down on that opinion (which is an actual opinion). People do love their fandoms.
star trek is wierd, theres like 2 types of fans, the old trek and the nutrek crowd, the nutrek crowd is wierd becuase the series that came out since 09 sucks balls.
What about SNW?
It may not punch as hard as DS9, but I still love it.
i feel like it could be a better series if the actors were given better lines, and dint act like robots and dint try to use current issues that mirrors the plot. i do like prodigy lower decks more. picard is just not good, kinda lazy in the end too.
star trek series, at least the old suck for the first 2 seasons, but it gets better, nutrek just gets worst overtime. snw tries to fix that though, but they shouldnt use the same styles as the other 2.
The SNW characters themselves are interesting though. Like, I can’t remember a single character from what little I watched of Discovery, many of Picard’s new ones were forgettable and so on, but I like all of SNW’s.
And I like the cast.
It needs better episode-to-episode writing, sure.
yea, someone said in a youtube video, they look like plastic dolls with botox trying to talk in snw. they definitely need more emotional expressions, and stop following kurtzman and discovery tropes. Picard couldve been better, if they stopped dropping the last seasons arcs , like with discovery. they needed to develop it further, and using material lifted from memory wiki pages and the books.(borg alliance, rogue changelings, time travelling borg(not related to first contact) should give those book some credit.
I had my comments deleted by some authoritarian nerd mod on one of those star trek communities for shitting on Discovery. Apparently, by having a negative opinion, I wasnt creating a welcoming atmosphere.
STD was such a garbage show, how did people find it good also there were continuity problems too , kurtzman abandoned the klingons look, and thier cloak behind, because he couldnt explain it.
If memory serves, there was an episode, when they were in the 32nd century, where they said they couldn’t jump (spore drive) while cloaked. Then, in the same episode (or one soon after) they did exactly that. Can’t even follow their own rules because the show is a joke to them.
But apparently in some spaces all opinions must be positive ones.
STD also sorts of continuity issues, cloaking and klingons appearances in the first seasons, never explained, this was pre-balance of terror, when klingons finally get thier cloak from the romulans. they dint use the "spore drive less in the later seasons, because how silly the animations look to the fans. then fans noticed the females only crew in the later seasons, they replaced all the men, whats the explanation in that.
Apparently, by having a negative opinion, I wasnt creating a welcoming atmosphere.
Jeez, some mods have never heard of the concept of toxic positivity
Ah, just what the Federation would aspire to: the silencing of any critical thought by undemocratically-installed secret leaders. Really does seem like the mod is a fan of NuTrek retcons.
(Secret because the mod log is usually obfuscated to users, so they don’t even know which mod deleted their comment to appeal the decision)
i mostly watched the nutrek clips, and thats why the “nutrek” fans think.
Risa?
Probably, can’t remember. I think so.
These problems usually solve themselves as the network grows.
Lucky you… I managed to get banned once, for not being “left” enough. So I just don’t engage in specific kind of topics anymore.
I’ve gotten banned somewhere for ostensibly malicious ninja editing, can’t even remember the community, but I do remember the topic. I dared clarify some factual thing.
But it wasn’t part of a particular bandwagon of hate, so no dice.
i argue that there arent really any niche communities. if I see a site with slow and limited posts, and 0 comments on most of those posts, can I really call that a community? i like video games and furry stuff. the video game and furry stuff sites have next to nothing on them. apparently the only ‘geeks’ here are Linux users who only talk about Linux distros or tankies who hate everyone and everything
Agreed.
I need to force myself to post/comment more in these subs though. Like I am trying to keep an eye on /c/thelastairbender for instance, but there are more.
I mean I think those are just the people who comment on politics threads.
Why are you on Reddit, it is vile and absolutely terrible, better stay away.
Lol. Lemmy feels more like reddit than reddit.
Both of these posts are complaining about their accounts being banned, which happened because they (at least one of them) posted low effort questions and therefore got lots of downvotes and got automatically banned by a system meant to ban bots and trolls. The irony is that reddit has major problems with their automatic moderation which you yourself as an user is completely powerless to controll, e.g. recently when a massive amount of nsfw subreddits were banned for being unmoderated which they later admitted was erroneous.
I’ve noticed a rise of Bot Moderators on reddit and their AI is not very good. They pick up on certain words and not context. One banned me for 3 days for harassment but I was defending myself against someone that was being antagonistic against me. My appeal was rejected :(
Hey this is my first day on Lemmy and my first comment, too! Fun times.
It’s so weird to read this, because other than a dork messaging me saying they were going to report me to the FBI I’ve had nothing but a lovely time on Lemmy.
Ima be real everyone is kissing lemmys ass but… I mean, it feels like reddit? Which is good?
Feels no different from reddit so far lol it’s not better or worse, really
New here but so far it feels like Reddit used to feel 10 years ago - a bit less populated maybe.
The top comment on reddit is always a stupid fucking joke or pun. Not so on lemmy. That’s the biggest difference I notice when I go back to look at reddit. On popular posts the whole first 3 threads are inane bullshit.
“I also chose this guys dead wife”…
Like the inside jokes were really good on Reddit like the switcheroo one, or the guy that always had that whole comment that ended in the wrestling scene but most of them were just repeated to death
Main difference from reddit is that you don’t see the same joke repeated in every thread. And here if you comment something it’ll probably be read by at least a few people.
Those top posts on reddit are always karma farming bots
Not so sure about the jokes. I use Arch BTW…
Disclaimer: I actually don’t. I’m too lazy these days.
Thanks for the gold, kind stranger!
I find myself getting into less stupid arguments here, and it feels more active.
Same culture, less exploitation by a corporation.
Here, your comment doesn’t get completely buried if you make one on a popular post. Part of that is the lack of heavy volume, of course, but I also feel like the sorting is more favorable to less upvoted comments.
Wait till they hear about reddit
Oh no… Anyway.
Apparently there is a guy called Lemmy LMAO 🤣
Usually when there are more comments than upvotes it means that OP is getting thoroughly roasted
Nah that went away with the advent of the “proportional” scoring or whatever bullshit they called it like 10 years ago
It’s that what happened when a popular post that was ‘blowing up’ on Reddit went from 500 updoots on the front page to mediocre front-page posts regularly getting 3-4k updoots seemingly over night?
I was there, I remember the change, I can’t remember why it happened.
It was ostensibly to make it harder for advertisers to game their own posts (similar to not showing you your own posts’ scores for a set period after creation), but like everything else on that site, it’s turned into some bullshit activist mods and admins use to keep things their corporate overlords don’t like from gaining too much traction.
yes. extremely dangerous website
It’s probably Spez with a second hand account
The community could certainly be kinder.
downvoted to teach you a lesson!
(much less toxic than reddit thus far)
Joke’s on you, lemmynsfw disabled downvotes instance-wide to make a more welcoming community lol.
It still registers it, as other instances can see the downvotes.
lemmynsfw provides peril-sensitive sunglasses!
I find that showing the upvotes and downvotes on comments takes the edge off being downvoted. You can see that there is still people who agree with you.
definitely!
I thought we still operated on rediquette where we only downvote people if they’re not contributing to conversation?
I’ve never seen this part of rediquetteactualy being followed on reddit (also, it was a joke to demonstrate how this community is different because I upvoted, but someone ruined the joke)
I think you’re the first account I’ve seen from the sooner instance, hope you’re having fun over there at least
