Listen. Just fuckin listen to me. The moment I joined lemmy every enthusiast was singing praise to the fediverse and how it’s easy to maintain the freedom of speach and yada yada yada. What it turned out to be is just constant quarrels between instances, defederations and crap like that while lemmy still fucking struggles to even become a mere shadow of reddit. I fucking hate reddit, I think spez should be covered in fire ants, but by god, looking at how insufferable most vocal lemmy users are, I may get back to reddit, probably as many other lemmy users already did.
I don’t think the meme makes sense. The ml users don’t seem to care how much other content is out there. They still participate as much as they’d like.
“We should defederate from everything which does not agree with my .world view and create a giant centralized echo chamber”!
Why the fuck does every .world user suddenly want Lemmy to be Reddit?
I’m out of the loop, what’s going on?
https://sh.itjust.works/c/meanwhileongrad
Here is a nice community that keeps track of their bullshit
Here’s a list of a few .ml communities and potential replacements:
- ask lemmy - !asklemmy@lemm.ee !asklemmy@sh.itjust.works
- linux - !linuxquestions@lemmy.zip !linux@linux.community !linux@programming.dev
- memes* - !memes@sopuli.xyz !memes@slrpnk.net !196@lemmy.blahaj.zone !memes@midwest.social
- programmer humor - !programmer_humor@programming.dev
- world news - !news@beehaw.org !globalnews@lemmy.zip
- technology - !technology@sh.itjust.works
- funny - !funny@sh.itjust.works
- ukraine - !ukraine@sopuli.xyz
Side note the main issue with .ml is transparency. It’s fine if the admins of an instance implement whatever rules they want in their instance; however, once they start enforcing hidden rules disguised as violations of the listed rules, they’re being liars and treating the users as stupid things to be herded, not as human beings.
EDIT: as people noticed I’m not including .world comms to not encourage even further concentration of activity into the largest instance. Decentralisation is important. Also I’m adding stuff that you guys suggest.
* for specialised memes, as the category is rather large:
I had the audacity to say that the deaths of Tiannanmen’s Square were inexcusable, no matter who started the violence, and my comment was removed under instance rule 1 (bigotry)… like wat 😂
Ah, typical lemmy.ml . They have a hard time understanding that you can support a certain ideology without necessarily turning a blind eye to everything that people claim to be doing for the sake of said ideology, or that any criticism against their actions is automatically false.
I remember you, by the way. You were already an old Lemmy user when I joined in, 3y ago!
My OG account is 6 years old 👴
You are our past
Our present
Our future
I dared to say that the illegal, violent invasion of the foreign nation of Ukraine was bad. Turns out NATO made them do that, as well as rape and torture all those people and steal the children. Who knew… 🤷♂️
The irony of so-called Marxist-Leninists refusing to be self-critical…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_and_self-criticism_(Marxism–Leninism)
The .ml transparency thing is a symptom, not a root cause. The admins like and even participate in the .ml rhetoric. The rules ambiguity is intentional.
We could argue that the root cause is that .ml admins pretending that their instance’s target audience is wider than it actually is.
Their target audience is Westerner suckers gullible enough to have their opinions manipulated
I was rejected when I first tried to sign up (when I was entirely new to lemmy) and they’re turning at least one user away now
Ah, they do it now? When I signed up there (~3y ago) there was no such thing.
Anyway, it’s still a problem because most users interacting with .ml content are from other instances.
3 years ago were there any other instances with traction? Agreed on your second point.
Nah, there were just LG and .ml, as OpenStars said. Technically HB too but they didn’t federate due to technical limitations.
Lemmygrad.ml is 5 years old, and hexbear.net is 4 years old.
Yep. I was not accepted several times. Now I am
Why were you rejected?
Who knows? Lemmy gave very little feedback messages then. I found a good instance to stick with.
Edit: it would have been around when I made this account (i.e. couple days before blackout protest and maybe they wanted to encourage signups at the several others that had recently popped up.
It’s a great advertisement for communism that’s for sure. They haven’t even gotten real power and it already resembles the worst of what communism offers. They’re a bunch of wannabe Ceausescu’s.
the main issue with .ml is
transparencyauthoritarian propaganda with full-throated support from the adminsIf they were banning people for shit posting on a communism community I wouldn’t have a problem. Its when you get removed banned from all communities because you said you don’t like there crappy memes
Or even if they had an instance-wide rule saying “don’t criticise Russia or China here”. It’s fine as long as the rules are clear.
But no, instead they libel the users criticising either, claiming that they violated rule #1 (TL;DR “no bigots”). Even when the criticism is clearly against the government.
And then you get a bunch of 11yos eating that ban message for breakfast, because they’re
full of gullibleness and don’t get the purpose of this utterancedumb fucks.Tbf, that admin telling someone to kill themselves wasn’t exactly a high mark for their ethics imho.
It isn’t a high mark, I agree. But while the “kill you are self lol.” thing could be just an admin in a really shitty day, this lack of transparency is consistent behaviour.
I get what you are saying: shittiness that happens daily is a more consistent pattern than something that happens ONCE.
On the other hand, an admin telling someone to literally kill themselves is such an extreme event that it might be grounds for their removal as an admin?
It’s an age-old philosophy problem: which is worse, stealing daily vs. actually killing someone once?
Or is that a trick question, since both are kinda shitty, no?
In any case, what happens when someone does BOTH of them?
The answer is ofc literally nothing, when said person is protected by the instance admins who are also the developers of this codebase. I wonder what would have happened though if Huffman was caught saying something similar to the users of Reddit? Yeah, nothing, that’s right - it’s not like we would leave Reddit or anything:-P. (Except I did, and now I’ve left Lemmy too, hello from PieFed!:-D)
Yup, they are both shitty, and grounds to remove an admin.
However when it’s a single event there’s still the chance that it won’t happen again, as the admin could regret it. There’s still grounds for “this won’t affect me, as a user, in the future”.
And when it’s both, as you said, it gets even worse.
Afaik the admins are the creators of lemmy right? Or are they just the creators of a particular instance? If its the first i would imagine they are the only ones that can de-admin themselves, and if its the latter i would imagine no one can de-admin them
Dessalines is literally one of the people who founded Lemmy, so the former
Holy shit, source? Which admin said that? I have one in mind and I wanna know if I’m right
I believe this comment is the original, in which case I misremembered the situation slightly: the admin wasn’t telling the OP to kill themselves, but rather stating that they (the admin) wanted to kill the OP directly. They also doubled down on that further down, and tripled down still further, e.g. stating “I hope you die soon” (all while claiming that people with PTSD could have been triggered by a fictional depiction of an unannounced kiss among friends, yet ignoring how a mod stating irl that they wish to shoot a poster would also be a much worse trigger, for violence).
A short synopsis is that a comic, written by a Latin American woman fwiw (Latin American people are more prone to touch each other, especially in relationships), about a game scenario wherein a girl kisses a guy friend, is removed and the admin tells the OP that they want to kill them (specifically, shoot them). All of this seems predicated on the misunderstanding that in the game you need to reach 10 hearts prior to being able to kiss someone, whereas that is actually at 8 hearts and by 10 hearts you can already safely ask for their hand in marriage… or something like that. Anyway the (fictious) guy in this comic about the game has already asked the girl out on a date at the level 8 marker, offering her a bouquet of flowers, which she accepts, and then the scenario in question occurs at the level 10 marker. This is by no means a “sexual assault” - they are in an established relationship, which took effort to build up, requiring back and forth signals from both sides, each acquiescing and signaling a readiness to not only continue it but to escalate it further. But the admin did not research the game, and instead went off unhinged with this wish for OP to die by their own hand.
There is an ENORMOUS amount of additional backstory details in https://lemm.ee/post/45248880 if you want to read more. Ignore Lvxferre and I’s tangent on moderation practices in hexbear but definitely pay attention to Lvxferre’s top-voted explanation of the context and below that a direct discussion with the actual admin in question, or at least the beginnings of one though the admin immediately ceased responding upon the first pushback of their practices. Also here’s an extremely relevant & helpful comment: https://lemm.ee/post/45248880/15580086, and below that an additional conversation between the admin and the OP, wherein despite how vehemently the admin goes hard against OP for “sexual assault”, in describing his own comment advocating for murder of the OP he says simply “It’s just a comment bro” (the irony there is palpable!).
Some of the original is now impossible to follow properly bc despite the admin continuing to get triggered by OP’s words in defense of their actions, we can now see only the admin’s side of the story, as OP’s have all been forcibly removed. However, that’s enough imho, bc no matter what the defense was seems irrelevant given that level of rhetoric levied against OP, describing their murder at the hands of the admin. And all for a (comic about a game about a) kiss that was reciprocated hence consensual to begin with, and among people who have already begun to become romantically involved, that the admin decided must be described as none other than sexual assault.
Don’t get lost in all the details and miss the main point though: even if the admin had been correct about the kiss, how would that justify their own actions to say how they wanted to murder OP and hopes that they die soon?
People continually report being disappointed by the moderation practices going on at lemmy.ml, hence moving communities off of it is a self-protective measure to try to keep Lemmy alive rather than allow such to send people away, possibly back to Reddit.
That comic is cute as hell lmao
I love seeing kissless virgins explain that any kind of affection given without explicit verbal consent is sexual violence, no matter the circumstances
I need you to understand that posts like these can absolutely wreck someones day and pose a barrier to the site and lemmy as a whole. So best case: it’s ableist to put it up.
This reads like a character in a conservative political cartoon. Complaining about ableism while simultaneously telling someone you want to murder them. If this is who we’ve got moderating our online spaces, the left is fucking cooked
I mean, tbf they aren’t actually “leftist”, most people agree, just play pretending to be such without seeming to really understand what that even means.
Also I probably went way overboard with the explanation bc the mere fact that the girl in the comic immediately reciprocates tells all the backstory needed that she did actually want it - she was merely surprised at first, not shocked and horrified as a triggering event would have been.
Anyway, good luck getting this admin removed - they are more entrenched on lemmy.ml than an admin would be at Reddit. Although similarly, we don’t have to remain associated with the likes of
Redditlemmy.ml and can move on to better things.Sort of, except that the mod tools on Lemmy reportedly suck, especially over instance barriers. The admins seem to not be prioritizing that, which btw I am 100% in support of the fact that that is their right to do so - we are using their codebase after all (well, you are, on PieFed I’m not:-), and if we want better, it would be up to us to build it, either by contributing to Lemmy or one of its alternatives like PieFed or Mbin (although Sublinks seems dead maybe?).
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That rule becomes clear very quickly when you’re familiar with Lemmy. (Unless you’re defederated from .ml.)
It is not enough; it should be explicit. Users should be able to know the rules of an instance before they even interact with it.
Mmhmm, mmhmm - secret laws, secret trials - definitely not authoritarian behavior at all.
memes:
- !196@lemmy.blahaj.zone is the single best meme community on lemmy, imho
- !memes@midwest.social,
and for more specialized memes:
- !science_memes@mander.xyz,
- !reactionmemes@lemmy.dbzer0.com,
- !mathmemes@lemmy.blahaj.zone,
- !loweffortmemes@walledgarden.xyz,
- !lotrmemes@midwest.social,
- !leftymemes@lemmy.dbzer0.com,
- !flippanarchy@lemmy.dbzer0.com,
- !femcelmemes@lemmy.blahaj.zone,
- !fedimemes@feddit.uk
world news: I realize you’re avoiding lemmy.world to promote decentralization which is why you’re listing !news@beehaw.org, but note that beehaw defederated itself from lemmy.world and from several others?
I’ve added all of them to the list, thanks!
Regarding !news@beehaw.org, now there’s an alternative there.
Is femcel memes ironic?
Their sidebar has a longish explanation of where they’re coming from.
I’ll check it out, thanks.
Edit: sounds good to me. Especially that last bit.
I suggest you add !globalnews@lemmy.zip to the news section. Beehaw isn’t accessible to people on instances they’ve defederated from or instances that have defederated them.
!asklemmy@lemmy.world has over 70 times as many subscribers as the other two asklemmy communities combined.
I’m avoiding linking lemmy.world instances. We shouldn’t put even more eggs in that basket, you know.
But maybe we shouldn’t throw out the few eggs Lemmy does have.
Nobody is throwing eggs out. I’m recommending one basket instead of another, that’s it.
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Yeah, it should be easier to grow ten communities about the same topic than one.
If you want to grow other instances, do it with unique stuff, not stuff .world already has. It’s not like there no room left.
Get a game developer to start posting their stuff on your new instance. Get celebrities to start posting their AMAs somewhere. Get big newspapers to start their own instance.
Do something other than trying to kill the dozen successful Lemmy communities we do have. Federation is a feature, not a purpose, and it’s already doing its job by making .ml less relevant for a good reason.
Do something other than trying to kill the dozen successful Lemmy communities we do have.
!showsandmovies@lemm.ee has twice the number of active users compared to !television@lemmy.world , still people won’t move to it, keeping both communities active and preventing grow of a single community on that topic.
If you’re so in favor of growing single communities on a topic, could you please consider redirecting to the lemm.ee community? It’s not like LW is lacking in active communities
Same for !movies@lemm.ee and !movies@lemmy.world
I think you might have a bias.
I’d generally be in favor of some kind of cooperation agreement. I’d certainly promote the larger community over the smaller one.
We absolutely have allowed moderators to close and redirect their community off of LW…
Yeah, it should be easier to grow ten communities about the same topic than one.
Yeah, because people don’t totally cross-post stuff all the time, or subscribe to multiple comms around the same topic.
If you want to grow other instances, do it with unique stuff, not stuff .world already has. It’s not like there no room left.
If you’re that pissed that I’m not listing .world comms, to the point of trying to boss me around (see emphasis on imperative), you can list yourself those comms. With blackjack and hookers.
Do something other than trying to kill the dozen successful Lemmy communities we do have.
Okay, full stop here. Cut off the crap - in no moment I’m trying to “kill” those communities in .world, and you’re being a disingenuous liar (or worse, a bloody moron) for claiming otherwise.
Not going to waste my time further with you.
Doesn’t this exact argument go for the few lemmy.ml eggs as well?
Did they suggest moving to the random.trsh website? This is still Lemmy, it’s still federalized and non-corporate and decentralized.
An odd choice on their part is dessalines upvoting every comment that corresponds to a removal or ban. Feels almost as though they’ve Jerry-rigged their moderation code to an extreme degree in order to keep up with the day job levels of moderation they’re doing.
Added to the list - thanks!
I humbly submit:
Added to the list.
Merci
Hey. Hey, people. Just selecting each link and subscribing will vastly improve your experience here in the fediverse. Do it now, before you forget!
Hello! That’s a very lovely formatted table with links, however, clicking on them does nothing for me whilst clicking on links otherwise in the replies does take me to the respective communities. I don’t know if it’s just me though.
That’s weird - are you accessing lemmy through a browser, or some app?
Check if it works here: !funny@sh.itjust.works
If it does then it’s the table interacting weirdly with the links, I can fix it by removing the table.
Fwiw all the links work fine for me from both PieFed and Lemmy.World base web UI even without an account. So it must be an app issue, and all the “standard” methods of access work.
It must be an app issue then. (Certainly not an instance issue, as Mothra is in the same instance as I do.)
Just to be safe I’m going to convert the thing into a bullet points list.
It’s fine if the admins of an instance implement whatever rules they want in their instance; however, once they start enforcing hidden rules disguised as violations of the listed rules, they’re being liars and treating the users as stupid things to be herded, not as human beings.
I see a lot more of that on .world communities, specifically the news and political memes communities will remove comments for “misinformation” even if you’re citing academic works.
will remove comments for “misinformation”
As they should
even if you’re citing academic works.
I’ve seen the “academic works” y’all cite, blog posts, YT videos, random books and retracted studies
random books
So if we’re not allowed to cite books, what exactly do you want?
blog posts, YT videos, and retracted studies
Who is citing those? I’ve had liberals link hour long youtube essays and I just say “lol I’m not going to read that”, but I’ve not noticed anyone on the left doing that.
Citing some random paper doesn’t make what your saying not disinformation.
From a formal logic perspective, your statement is true. But in real life, the more important distinction is not between “true” and “false”, but between “purposefully deceptive and ungenuine disinformation” versus “outspoken dissenting viewpoint”. And that is one that people are really bad at telling the difference between, especially if the viewpoint in particular is one that they hold very strongly.
Classically lemmy.world.
“Your peer reviewed academic studies are misinformation, do you not read the news ?”
peer reviewed
Mazières, D., & Kohler, E. (2005). Get me off your fucking mailing list [PDF]. Accepted for publication in the International Journal of Advanced Computer Technology in 2014.
If the .world admins are doing it too, it’s also bad. Thankfully I didn’t list a single .world community, although for another reason.
I like the idea of growing non-ml community, however, I wish larger instances do not block ML. Otherwise, they would just move to lemmy.ee or lemmy.one, just like how they moved from hexbear and grad to ml.
It is great tankies got their own place where they can be happy, but I really don’t want to interact with them. I am emotional about issues they engage in, and emotional me is usually not the nicest version of myself.
Social media is one of the few ways I can relax for couple hours per week outside of my job, and I really don’t want my social media experience to go full investigative journalism.
The irony of a community promoting socialism while also instabanning anyone for the slightest wiff of criticism is just chef’s kiss peak representation of why their system is doomed.
If you can’t withstand the slightest nudge of criticism how are you even going to attempt to provide a governance system based on any kind of economic directive? If Marx could see what you guys have become he’d personally wipe his ass with your lame ml instance
- posted on *.world
I criticized the CCP on lemmy.ml and got called racist and got banned lmao
Edit: thank you for the link, Lazycog@sopuli.xyz!
https://lemmy.ml/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=2602275
I stand by every single comment that’s been removed from this platform. Some of them were removed for good reason, one of them was a brain fart that I shouldn’t have posted in the first place, but I’m happy to have y’all investigate my moderation history
ETA: If you read this, and then replied to a comment that’s already been removed from a community I’m banned from, you’re an idiot. I literally can’t interact with you. Why not reply to this comment?
I’ve been called a racist, a homophobe (???) and worst of all a liberal and a fascist (same thing apparently /s) all because I insisted that China isn’t worth simping for.
What I hate most about tankies is that they are the only true leftists and anybody who disagrees with them is just a poser and a liberal. Especially anarchists.
For clarity, the thread you are talking about was filled with reasonable discussion that you doubled down on ignoring. The biggest thing people took issue with is your insistence on having a negative opinion towards something you in the same breath admitted you lacked real knowledge of how the PRC works. There’s a difference between having an opinion based on strong investigation, and one made by vibes, something pointed out repeatedly to you.
If somebody so desperately wants me to support the second most powerful empire in the world the burden of proof is on them, not on me.
The burden of proof is on the person making claims. The people in that thread nevertheless gave you plenty of proof countering your claims.
My claim was that tankies exist. Which you’re proving true once again.
Go watch CGTN, aka the only “proof” supplied.
I provided much more than CGTN, and that was with respect to legal structures alone. Everyone else provided plenty of evidence as well. You provided very little and doubled down on anti-China myths.
Won’t somebody think of the poor nation state empire? :(
The thing I hate about tankies is the same thing I hate about fascists, every other living thing on earth shares a common ancestor with them. I propose we exile them from the evolutionary tree, return them to the dirt they truly are so that they may be of some use to all living creatures.
Tankies essentially have more in common with other fascists than they do other leftists.
I once joined a stalinist discord. 3 weeks later it was a community of trans-Hitlerites who required an ID to join.
Is it 100% accurate to write communism off as fascism hiding under leftist wool? No, not 100% accurate, but it sure saves a hell of a lot of time.
imagine saying shit like " I propose we exile them from the evolutionary tree" and thinking you’re anti-fascist
But I am an anti fascist, just cause im a bloodthirsty bastard who thinks murder is a borderline panacea doesnt mean I am fascist. Fascism has some very notable ideological elements that do not apply to me. Also when I say want to kill someone unless they are in a position of power I want to beat them physically first so that I may break their beliefs, after all if they stop believing then they arent a fascist now are they.
Just cause you associate bloodthirst and antisocial tendencies with fascists doesnt make it an applicable element to me. Plus I loath authority too much to be an authoritarian, it is traditional amongst my kin to reject even our elders authority.
gee, i’m peeing my pants over here
i called you a fascist because of your borderline eugenicist way of framing it, but you’re also a psychopath too apparently so that’s fun
I was making a darwin award joke, basically just a way of saying I want to commit homicide. Also not psychopathy just a nasty mix of Autism and PTSD.
China pretending to be egalitarian is like Maga pretending to be pro-freedom.
Thanks for posting that, I had no idea. Yikes. Time to find a new instance.
I criticized the CCP on lemmy.ml and got called racist and got banned lmao
Typical conservative sjw user /s
You know people can see your moderation history right?
I genuinely didn’t. How do you check that? I want to see their excuse for banning me
Not sure if this link will work on any lemmy clients, but open it in the browser (modlog on lemmy.ml and filtered by your user ID):
https://lemmy.ml/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=2602275
Edit: I linked ml because I don’t know if modlogs federate over. E.g if lemmy.ml admin mod actions are visible on sh.itjust.works modlog page.
Thank you, I had no idea how to find this, it’s super fascinating
Some of these removals are perfectly warranted, like that L + ratio comment. It was a fun comment, but not productive. I didn’t even know I was banned from 196 for… Defending genocide? Because I didn’t want Trump elected? I would like to congratulate the moderators of blahaj.zone for successfully preventing a Harris presidency.
All the recent .ml stuff is because of “rule 1,” and y’all can plainly see that none of the comments removed were bigoted, and only one was uncivil.
No problem! I just got interested how the modlog actually looks like after seeing this comment chain and decided to finally check it out.
No idea whether that link is only showing the lemmy.ml admins actions on you or do the mod actions federate and show all the actions mods on any instance have taken on you though
I would like to congratulate the moderators of blahaj.zone for successfully preventing a Harris presidency.
The guys who’ve spent the last year telling the democrats “You need to stop the genocide and promote popular left policy if you want to win” are not responsible for the dems loss. The dems are responsible for their own loss for ignoring the obvious advice of “stop doing the thing that made you lose in 2022 and 2016 and 2010 and 2004 and instead do the thing that made you win in 2008 and 2020”
It’s particularly gross to suggest a predominantly trans instance wanted a trump presidency.
I agree that it’s the Democrats’ fault that they lost, but I stand by the assertion that people who would rather not vote at all than vote for the lesser of two evils are partially to blame when the greater of two evils wins.
I didn’t say they wanted a Trump presidency, I said they didn’t want a Harris presidency. I only congratulated them on their efforts to prevent that.
The people saying “Genocide, punishing immigrants, tough-on-crime rhetoric, and complicated, means-tested bullshit decreases your bases turnout” are not at fault for those unpopular policies decreasing turnout. Everyone who failed to publicly criticize the dems so they could maintain the delusion they could win while promising to do the opposite of what the people whose votes they depend on want are far more culpable.
Trans people voted for Harris, overwhelmingly. The problems were with white guys with a weird stick up their ass trying to convince everyone else not to vote to protect us. Good work I guess, you got what you wanted.
Nobody was telling people not to vote Harris, there’s a difference between that and telling the dems that the policies and messaging they adopted from the Republican’s 2016 platform were wildly unpopular and will not win the election.
And if the dems successfully ignore and silence all criticism from the left, they’re going to do the same shit in 2026 and 2028.
One time, drag’s friend accidentally left his fly open in public. Drag wanted to save him the embarassment of having it open, and drag knew exactly what to do to help him.
So drag got up in front of everyone in the bar, shouted that the friend’s fly was open, and shared some dank memes making fun of him.
Drag’s friend claims that nobody from that night respects him anymore and drag is a terrible friend, but that’s nonsense. He’s the one who left his fly open, drag was just helping him avoid embarrassment.
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If Drag’s buddy spent 4 years telling drag “Zip up your fly, or you’re going to be thrown out”, and instead drag shows Drag’s genitals to everyone at the bar, it’s not Drag’s buddy’s fault. Nor is it the fault of everyone else at the bar for being repelled.
If Drag thinks everyone would have been OK with Drag flashing non-consenting people, and that Drag’s buddy simply convinced everyone this was repellent behavior, that’s even more reason to listen to Drag’s buddy.
I’m honored to have learned about being banned from ML on this blessed day.
Checked both my account on lemm.ee and thelemmy.club, and its mostly clean.
https://lemmy.ml/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=11745158 https://lemmy.ml/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=13547228
It works on Thunder!
Scroll all the way to the bottom and click mod log to search. or click the 3 vertical dots to see a specific users mod history.
It might be an instance thing, I don’t know if all instances make modlogs this transparent.
The Winnie the Pooh stuff is just completely made up by Western propaganda. Also, how hard is “yellow face is racist”, when saying an Asian looks like a cartoon with yellow skin?
People don’t say Xi Jinping looks like Winnie the Pooh because Pooh is yellow, silly. They say it because he kinda looks like Winnie the Pooh
Banned starman2112 @sh.itjust.works from the community 196@lemmy.blahaj.zone reason: Weirdo who defends genocide, because only young people are aginast it
Thanks for the link and the laugh! 😂
It’s amusing to see the average user criticizing .ml while ignoring the bad behavior of others. LMAO!
Weirdo, why im not surprised at all 😂
Hey, uhm, I know you’re gonna react negatively to this, but could you answer me one simple yes or no question?
Are you pro-Russian?
And I’m of course against Russia but against Israel too you see
We have so much in common! I wish we had elected someone who wouldn’t simultaneously give Ukraine over to Russia, and ensure the total annihilation of the Palestinian people, and remove all access to gender affirming care for trans people in the country I live in.
But I guess the fact that I thought we should vote for the person who would kill fewer people means I support genocide, at least according to the 196 mod team
For your last paragraph,
That’s a false matter and conflict as a stranger to your country.
The real issue, isn’t you or non-voters, the real issue is the fucking trump voters.Don’t let them divide us on this one.
Sister, tell the mod team that. Non-voters are the ones saying voters support genocide.
I can understand that claim, because when you search you can see a lot of things not good concerning Democrats.
The politics under biden isn’t friendly to Palestinian and in a way say “that’s ok Israel” ,
Kamala didn’t stance a clear position on that.And by the past they were in meetings not with Palestinian’s representatives but just sionists.
Sorry your favorite genocider lost, sweetie, but as a non-american, I find it undecent as fuck to bring out your country’s politics under news about dead children. Read the fucking room.
Explicitly mentioning it, despite already saying you support Ukraine. I like it. Thanks.
I should not explain my opinions/positions regarding this,
As a trans person, i cant be on the putin’s side you see ;)But, i hate to see things like “kill the russians” etc,
Do we accept “kill jews/israelien” ? No, and in good reason,
Why should we accept then the “kill all russians” etc ?Well, there’s a lot of Mexicans in the US who voted for Trump. There’s even a meme regarding people voting for leopards eating their faces, so you know, you can’t trust people to be reasonable always.
Who has said “kill all Russians”? Who has said “kill all jews”? (Aside from Hitler and his ilk)
I think it would be disingenuous to pretend like the majority of people are for massacring Israelis or Russians, when they’re clearly advocating for stopping the genocide in Gaza and Russia backing off from their attack on Ukraine. They broke international laws. Both of those parties, that is. That’s just… not on. Being against those actions and the people who perpetrated them doesn’t mean you’re advocating for “an eye for an eye” (a genocide for a genocide).
Well, there’s a lot of Mexicans in the US who voted for Trump. There’s even a meme regarding people voting for leopards eating their faces, so you know, you can’t trust people to be reasonable always
Who has said “kill all Russians”?
Who has said “kill all jews”? (Aside from Hitler and his ilk)I agree that the negative impacts of capitalism are significant, which may explain why some Mexican and Black voters support Trump. This phenomenon is perplexing to me, and I struggle to understand it.
Regarding hate speech, I want to address the troubling comments I’ve seen on platforms like Lemmy, where users have made statements such as “Time to kill more Russians.” This kind of rhetoric should not be tolerated, just as we do not accept antisemitism. It is essential to uphold a standard that rejects all forms of hate.
The problem is that these harmful comments often receive upvotes, which can mislead and confuse members of the Lemmy community, including its administrators. I frequently observe this dynamic at play.
Concerning the cries regarding such instances (ML, HB, LM), I believe that if these individuals are coherent in their beliefs, they should also oppose bigotry and racism, which can sometimes be found in other communities, such as on LW, Sopuli, etc.
There is clearly a lack of moderation in many instances, and this needs to be addressed to foster a more inclusive and respectful environment.
Nope,
I’m on the side of Ukrainian if you want to know 😑😐Good, good, just checking.
Haha I also like reason: https://legal.lemmy.world/tos/#1-attacks-on-users-or-groups doxing is not ok on lemmy.world
The thread is them saying they would punch nazis
That one was warranted. While I am in favor of doxxing nazis, I understand the legal imperative to nuke threads where nazis are getting doxxed
The nazi was doxxed by other people, somewhere else. The poster suggested they should be punched.
Seems like whataboutism. Stay on topic.
They’re very good at that. They’ve done the same elsewhere in this thread too, unsurprisingly.
your “boycott” was already happening naturally because (ayk) lemmy.ml’s mods are insufferable
We need to call on more servers to defederate with lemmy.ml if we want more people to join the platform, I dont want my friends’ first experience of the platform to be a tankie post.
100% of the people that I’ve recommended Lemmy to have admonished me for even so much as having mentioned it, citing the extremist rhetoric that calls for violent upheaval of all capitalist systems in the Western world.
If I do a Google search (yuck I know), Lemmy.ml is the 4th hit, and the top hit for an actual instance. On it, the default view shows only Local posts so… yup, that’s what a day-1 noob would see, is that instance making fun of capitalism especially the USA.
From the actual top instance, Lemmy.World, those posts make up a significantly smaller percentage of the feed, but how would people know that? And they aren’t nothing either.
Also, blocking an instance from Lemmy does very little to curb the onslaught of toxicity from it: that merely mutes the communities hosted there, whereas the users are still free to harass you, triggering notifications, vote to influence the visibility of your content, etc. I was browsing All and made the mistake of replying to a comment in ChapoTrapHouse@hexbear.net one day, and then did that again in lemmygrad.ml, and each time received replies for WEEKS and WEEKS afterwards. I almost quit the fediverse entirely:-(. Browsing from All, how was I supposed to know what those communities, or instances, were all about - was that truly “my” fault for being ignorant? Either way, I almost left, so I understand why none of the irl people I mention Lemmy to will stay either.
The people arguing against defederation are ignoring how users can be harassed here against their consent, and since no other alternatives are being made available on Lemmy to deal with the situation, defederation remains as the only option left.
(Side-note: PieFed does offer several intriguing alternatives, including showing the sidebar text below every post so that someone knows what the community standards are, even arriving at the post from All rather than going through the community page first, and labelling certain instances with special text, e.g. for Beehaw it says:
This post is hosted on beehaw.org which has higher standards of behaviour than most places. Be nice.
with that link to the exact text offered by the instance admins describing their alternative and unusual moderation practices in their own words; and another is in labelling users to allow democratization of moderation rather than a binary remove/retain decision - although while all of these experimental features are awesome, PieFed’s UI is quite a bit behind Lemmy’s so not quite ready for the masses.)
A hexbear user “called me out” in chapotraphouse for “transphobia” for a comment I made pointing out how insane it is that the hexbear team was calling the admin/mods of blahaj.zone “transphobic” – the admin and most of the mod team are actual trans people.
So I replied to the callout by saying I’m a landlord (I’m not) and asking how much I should charge for rent as a “card carrying leftist.” Replied to a few responses about how I’m a one of the good landlords and providing an essential service at a reasonable price.
My idea was to bait the worst offenders, and it worked. I waited for the replies to roll in, then blocked every single user that commented on that post. Anyone that DMed me about it got blocked too. A couple weeks later I blocked the hexbear and lemmygrad instances in my user settings.
It worked great and I haven’t had many issues since.
Haha, but I do note some problems with that approach. For one, it helps only you, leaving new users to have to repeat your success one by one. New users mostly in my experience won’t stick around long enough to even want to do so, and rather 100% of the people I’ve told have turned away from Lemmy in disgust.
For another, they’ll simply swap accounts and be back at it again. They proudly mention such inside the safety of their home instances - one person on lemmygrad.ml even mentioned that they will be building an app specifically for the purpose of using alts to avoid such blocks and defederations. No really means yes to them.
If anyone is curious, see e.g. the people from the Lemmy.ml instance talking in https://sh.itjust.works/post/26892196. I for one found it hilarious when they kept saying to hit up their DMs (bc their arguments could not stand the light of public inquiry and they knew it?:-P), then when I pointed that out, claimed that they had never done so and asked for proof - like I couldn’t read it happening within the very same post. But I get it, many people won’t bother to read or investigate anything at all, so those tricks really would work on a lazy reader i.e. an average Redditor. Case in point, the recent USA election thinking that Trump’s tariffs will somehow boost the economy, rather than tank it as happened during COVID where supply lines were so dramatically affected (which tbf would have happened anyway, but still the response was pretty lackluster and could have mitigated much of that if even minimal efforts had been expended).
I’d rather have .ml scaring shitlibs away while they stay on block, best of both worlds.
shitlib
tankie
Shitlibs, lol
As long as it’s not only lemmy.world communities you start growing. Centralization won’t lead to good outcomes anywhere.
Absolutely! Grow a community on any instance that doesn’t allow the kind of users that lemmy.ml does I say.
I think we gave them too much power by making their communities as big as we did
I’m glad there is enough critical mass to move past those fucking hatemongers. “Pure free speech and anarchy!” If you say exactly what we want you to, also don’t accidentally offend us with normal fucking words
“Free speech!”
Ok tankie.
“Not like that!”
Or more subtly:
I can’t even say life’s a bitch over there without being filtered because of misogyny which I guess? But that’s not my intent and I don’t think the majority read it with that connotation. What if I just want to quote a Nas classic?
It gets dumber: last I checked their word filter doesn’t pay any regard to a comment’s set language so even If I set my comment to French “retard” will be filtered on ml communities and to their users regardless of where I comment.
Je suis en retard
Becomes
Je suis en removedEdit: actually, let’s see if this has been fixed, test French comment in reply to this:
Edit2: lmao
I’ve tried to talk about fire retardants there once… It gets cut too.
Je suis en retard
oh no I’m not allowed to use a slur even though I’m using it in a common phrase that originates as the slur being used as a slur
I’m supposed to get away with doing things
Did you only read half of my comment?
What about the French example?
You said two stupid things but only one of them was fun to make a joke out of.
Your french shit is equally stupid. “But it’s not a slur in a language we aren’t speaking right now so I should get to say it!!!”
How about you just stop having a piss fit you spoiled little fuck? Not once in your ‘analysis’ are you bothering to do the literally only valuable piece of thought work: actually measuring the cost/benefit of having a strong deterrence to bigotry vs “I can think of a word that has a slur as part of it but can still be easily understood by people reading it through context clues”
When a piece of shit only weighs the cost of doing things to protect vulnerable minorities and not the benefit to those people, it’s pretty fucking easy to suss out their beliefs on the issue in general.
Except nobody use it as an insult in french. Why tf are a bunch of yank telling me how to use my fucking language. Englocentrist much?
Dudes takes are so bad even he doesn’t want to upvote them lol:
Did you know that Norway, Sweden, and Denmark all have laws against hate speech, harassment, and discriminatory expressions targeting protected groups. For instance, Norwegian law prohibits public statements that threaten or insult someone, or promote hatred based on factors like ethnicity, religion, or sexual orientation. At the same time they consistently top indices like the Reporters Without Borders’ World Press Freedom index. I’m not saying that your comment is threatening or anything, but it doesn’t seem very important to me to protect the right of someone to use a crude derogatory like “tankie” (a word with parallels to terms like “pinko” and “judeo Bolshevik”).
In reality, the pervasiveness of derogatories like that limit free speech. Of course, this goes the same for calling everyone one disagrees with a lib or fascist as well.
Permitting hate speech limits free speech by making the space unsafe for marginalized voices.
What are you saying that causes people to call you a liberal or a fascist?
Thank you, that’s true but doesn’t catch the nuance of my argument. It doesn’t need to be hate speech to have a chilling effect on public debate. Name-calling instead of actual political discourse, for instance.
I’ve been called many things but liberal or fascist are seldom among them. I do observe comrades who use those terms very lightly and in uncomeradely fashion though.
They’re not anarchists tho. Don’t associate anarchism with .ml bullshit
Of course, because there is no true anarchist.
What do the call a fallacy where you find an imaginary fallacy in someone else’s argument to sound smarter?
A (false) fallacy fallacy? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_fallacy
Is it a fallacy? I frequently run into self-styled anarchists who describe other self-styled anarchists as “not real anarchists”.
.ml people don’t even describe themselves as anarchists, from what I’ve seen. And those that do, often hide behind that label in bad faith
But they don’t even pretend to be anarchists, they’re Marxist-Leninists, hence the ml
If “they dont even pretend to be anarchists”, then why would the comment
They’re not anarchists tho. Don’t associate anarchism with .ml bullshit
be necessary in the first place?
If you look at the comment above that one, you might be able to figure it out
I was in an argument with some .ml tankie yesterday, and they had the gall to say that “free speech that doesn’t threaten the government is tolerated everywhere,” in response to a comment saying that the CCP censors speech. They didn’t like my assertion that that statement also applies to Nineteen Eighty-Four’s Ingsoc party. It’s technically true, that free speech that doesn’t threaten the government is tolerated in Oceania. It’s just that the government considers any dissent threatening.
My last straw was when I made a meme on their meme instance that had no Asians, anyone related to Asia, or racism in it. And they removed the post with 500+ up votes and a healthy discussion, because my title was “Rice.”
They literally told me rice, the word by itself, is racist. I just chose a random word for the title to fill the blank.
don’t accidentally offend us with normal fucking words
What were the normal words that people found so offensive?
Yeah, we’d hate to make a good alternative when everyone can just use Bluesky and Meta.
The hate for .world simply because of size doesn’t make sense to me. It’s fine to make new (unique) communities elsewhere, but shunning the biggest successful communities on .world to try to grow empty communities on other instances is cutting off your nose to spite your face.
If you’re constantly shunning the biggest instance simply for being big, you’ll end up killing Lemmy.
There’s more than just being big, those things may not matter to you, or even the majority, but I’ve heard enough gripes repeated to know some people are bothered.
The flip flopping on policies without clear transparency bothered some people but tbh I forgave that as growing pains of being in charge of a new popular platform.
The one mentioned more often is how they’re one of the main ones to federate with Meta’s Threads. Integration isn’t really there right now anyway but every other major Lemmy instance has preemptively blocked them already:
sourceI can respect the Threads thing. That’s a valid reason other than “we need to be even smaller”.
we need to be even smaller
That’s not the argument, please don’t trust it needlessly like that
The point is that having everything be on one instance results in the centralized abuse of power we saw with reddit
Per example: .world has some famously bad power mods (a certain soaring mollusk comes to mind) same as reddit, growing communities outside of that centralized area gives us a place to run when they finally snap completely, as is inevitable with power mods
This is very easy to do thanks to how Lemmy works
That mod has one political community. That’s it. “They” appears to be one mod of one community that you have an issue with.
It’s not that we need to be smaller, but we benefit if we all grow similarly, or at least the community distribution does.
I don’t think most of the data in the network should be hosted by a single legal entity, that’s just unhealthy even if the protocol is open. It’s also my main complaint about bluesky- technically open protocol, de facto centralization.
We should leave the m federated on most instances as a honeypot for them. This way they don’t join other instances.
It’s like when you give a kid a video game controller without batteries.
ml makes sense on the fediverse. That’s kind of the whole point. Same with Linux.
Can someone inform me about what’s wrong with lemmy.ml?
